Lessen the LP loss while being inted, Riot.

LittleCeasar·Feb 11, 2020·7 votes·6,775 views

Something has to be done about inters. It seems like they are never really punished. Nothing feels worse than losing 15 LP because your top lane got triggered at 2 minutes and decided to run it down the rest of the game.

I would bet money he'll still be playing in 2 weeks (despite being 9x reported and a ticket submitted).

Please riot, at the very least, have a system that detects if there was an inter in the game and don't take away full LP for the losing team.

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24 Comments

Caitlyn FTWFeb 11, 20208 votes

It is just a bad game bro

LittleCeasarFeb 11, 20202 votes

Truuuueeeee

Caitlyn FTWFeb 11, 20202 votes

I mean the Sett is just having a bad game ☻

FreeCandyIfUrSixFeb 11, 20206 votes

Hard agree. Not sure how they could detect "being inted" but yeah...

KnKitsuneFeb 12, 20201 votes

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Hard agree. Not sure how they could detect "being inted" but yeah...

By relying less on a computer to read the report and more on a human actually taking the time to watch the replay.

Soraka ActuallyFeb 12, 20201 votes

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By relying less on a computer to read the report and more on a human actually taking the time to watch the replay.

You can calculate their participation in a game, in fact, the game already does this. Someone who is inting will have very abnormal stats for the game, sounds like a red-flag to me. The worse case would be a false-positive, but if their pattern of behavior is so bad then they should be removed form ranked games anyways.

KnKitsuneFeb 15, 20201 votes

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You can calculate their participation in a game, in fact, the game already does this. Someone who is inting will have very abnormal stats for the game, sounds like a red-flag to me. The worse case would be a false-positive, but if their pattern of behavior is so bad then they should be removed form ranked games anyways.

People are able to work around that. That is why you have players like a Zed Support managing to go through 2 months worth of Ranked matches doing nothing but trolling and inting, yet still manage to hide under the radar.

For instance, had a game where the enemy team had a Disco Nunu. First thing they did was walk straight and die to my turret. After that, they consistently walk into every fight, do like maybe 1 autoattack or non-ult ability, and then leave their team for dead and run off.

Whether or not their team got a kill, the system will think Disco Nunu is still participating.

This just makes Rito to throw the, "They're just having a bad game" excuse.

Ginger976Feb 11, 20201 votes

Why don't you just go ahead and develop a system that detects "inters"? Do you plan on prioritizing the minimization of type 1 or type 2 errors? Would you suggest going for higher precision or higher accuracy?

SaezioFeb 11, 20202 votes

going 1-13-1 is inting 99% of the time. The person going 1-13-1 should have to prove they are NOT INTING, not the other way around. And the threshold should be lower for higher elo games.

BTW this should only be for ranked games.

But I don't care about not losing LP, I would just like to see inters punished sooner. Like, if 2 times of saying "KY*" or "r****d" can land you a permaban. 2 games of inting should be granting the same. Or at least exclude you from ranked games.

FOR JUSTICEFeb 11, 20201 votes

They already do

SaezioFeb 11, 20202 votes

They do what? They perma people for inting 2 games?

So, if I go and soft int 2 games and type "unlucky, let's go guys we got this" all the while intentionally playing sub optimally I will be punished?

BULL SHIT

Ginger976Feb 11, 20201 votes

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going 1-13-1 is inting 99% of the time. The person going 1-13-1 should have to prove they are NOT INTING, not the other way around. And the threshold should be lower for higher elo games.

BTW this should only be for ranked games.

But I don't care about not losing LP, I would just like to see inters punished sooner. Like, if 2 times of saying "KY*" or "r****d" can land you a permaban. 2 games of inting should be granting the same. Or at least exclude you from ranked games.

Nothing in here comes close to developing a system for "inters". You want to ban on KDA? Well 2 of your 3 ranked games you went 1-7 and 0-10. Welcome to the ban club.

SaezioFeb 11, 20201 votes

I don't have a 2/13 kda in any of those? So... IDK why this has naything to do. lol

Ginger976Feb 11, 20201 votes

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I don't have a 2/13 kda in any of those? So... IDK why this has naything to do. lol

I didn't say you had a 2/13 KDA. I said you had a 1-7 and a 0-10 game. That looks like inting to me. Banned.

SaezioFeb 11, 20202 votes

ok, 1 game of those has an afk top that fed 7 kills and left.

And in both those games i am 3rd or better in KP%.

You are either the most ignorant person about this game to not include assists when you are talking about kda. Or you are trolling.

BUT regardless of all that, I would be happy to review the game video with a riot support employee and explain my every move :). In order to prove I was not inting.

I'd love it if everyone had to do the same when their KDA was less than what riot considers inting (which by your standards is like 1,2-1,4).

P.S. I talked about someone with 0.15KDA and you are talking about someone with over 8 times that KDA. Do you understand math little fella?

Ginger976Feb 12, 20201 votes

So your grand solution is that everyone who has a KDA below some threshold to have to do a video review with a riot employee and explain why they're not inting? You obviously have no idea how time or the real world works.

SaezioFeb 13, 20201 votes

My solution is their account is permanently suspended and there is a time and date on the suspension notice. On that time and date you can contact a certain employee and make your case. It could be in weeks or months from the punishment date.

I hear a ton of criticism but no alternative solution from you mate. You obviously think inters are punished adequately with the current system? Or that it is impossible to punish inters so we should just not even try?

Ginger976Feb 13, 20201 votes

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My solution is their account is permanently suspended and there is a time and date on the suspension notice. On that time and date you can contact a certain employee and make your case. It could be in weeks or months from the punishment date.

I hear a ton of criticism but no alternative solution from you mate. You obviously think inters are punished adequately with the current system? Or that it is impossible to punish inters so we should just not even try?

Your solution still fails in its most basic requirement: Detect inters in a better way than currently. When you're thinking of building a system that detects something, you (broadly) have two choices in how you proceed: 1. You minimize missing the actual true cases (inters) but in return you inadvertently ban a bunch of people that aren't actually inting or 2. You minimize the amount of people falsely banned, but in return you also miss punishing a lot of people that deserve to be banned (this is the system Riot currently has in place).

I think that the latter solution is better overall. That's why highlighted the fact that the system YOU propose would probably result in banning you, because using KDA to determine inting would definitely flag those games that you feed in.

SaezioFeb 14, 20201 votes

No, it wouldn't.

both the games you mention are over 1,2 KDA. You can instantly ban people with 0.5 KDA. How often does someone end up with double deaths to their K+A when not inting?

Obviously with death thresholds too.(for cases like 1/2/0 scores)

I just think the current system misses 99% of inters. And 100% of soft inters.

And I do think that over a certain elo (masters maybe) each inting report SHOULD be dealt by a rioter. Because those people inting streamers just make the game LOOK SO DAMN MISERABLE. And people think "Oh if this guy is having these problems what chances do I have?"

I just feel like the strictness in punishing WORDS is like 1000x the strictness of punishing ACTUAL GAMEPLAY offences that the player can't simply /mute. And this is causing a lot of frustration. And at this point people are even scared to speak in chat. Which I feel is just a shame for a team game.

KingCheeseburgerFeb 12, 20201 votes

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Why don't you just go ahead and develop a system that detects "inters"? Do you plan on prioritizing the minimization of type 1 or type 2 errors? Would you suggest going for higher precision or higher accuracy?

Right, smol indie company cant possibly spare the resources to develop a better system or devote more manpower.

Maybe if they spent less time farting in each other faces, they could develop such a system

Ginger976Feb 13, 20201 votes

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Right, smol indie company cant possibly spare the resources to develop a better system or devote more manpower.

Maybe if they spent less time farting in each other faces, they could develop such a system

It's easy to assume that the system you'd like is easy to build when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.