Luden's vs static shiv

Im Pickle Rìck·Jun 8, 2015·1 votes·860 views

Holy crap can we please either make static shiv do 15% of ad or take the 15% ap off luden's since they are supposed to be the ad/ap equivelent of each other how about one not be way stronger then the other.

12 Comments

Lord DusteonJun 8, 20155 votes

Luden's costs 800 more gold for one, and builds out of a 1600 gold item. You need to save up 1600 gold to get ONE of the components of Luden's Echo. You can buy the Zeal and a Brawler's Glove for less and be most of the way to Statikk.

Statikk can crit. On a normal crit it does 200 damage (Luden's currently needs 667 AP to match), and on an IE crit it does 250 (Luden's needs 1000 AP then). Assuming just Statikk, you have 20% crit chance. That means you have a 20% chance to do 200 damage, for an average damage per bolt of 120. Luden's has 120 AP; it's bolts do 118 consistently. With IE, you have a 40% chance to do 250 damage, for an average damage per bolt of 160. Luden's + Deathcap has 312 AP, for consistent 147 damage.

So, for less money you get higher DPS (lightning only) for Statikk, which only increases more with crit chance. While Luden's eventually evens out, it is HIGHLY unlikely to break 1000 AP in a normal game unless you are Cassiopeia or Veigar. So please, stop complaining that the extremely cheap lightning item that still scales into the lategame isn't even better than the massively harder to build AP version.

SexyTaylorSwiftJun 8, 20153 votes

Gotta love it when people posting for circle jerk get fuked hard.

Mandang0Jun 8, 20154 votes

Sure, just make sure to give Luden's spell crit.

LuckyJun 8, 20152 votes

Welcome to the league of stupid comparisons

KãtãrinãJun 8, 20151 votes

shiv can crit, ludens can not.

Knight SoIaire Jun 8, 20151 votes

which is worse if you look at it more

first thing you need crit chance second you need to actualy crit when you have 100 stacks third you need to hit a champ with it

owerall ludens always rewards you static is just an inferior coice to pd, that needs loads of luck to even do what it is meant to do

Mandang0Jun 8, 20151 votes

Shiv has crit chance. It's not like it's crit damage, which needs crit chance to be good - crit chance is always useful. Hell, it'd be especially useful considering spell base damage.

Shiv was preferred to PD before Riot moved IE's crit chance to PD. Shiv's by no means a bad item.

Knight SoIaire Jun 8, 20151 votes

Shiv was preferred to PD before Riot moved IE's crit chance to PD. Shiv's by no means a bad item.

WAS

but that 5% crit actualy makes a diference

since now pd + ie grants 15% more crit chance, thus adc's will opt for pd more than shiw now

Mandang0Jun 8, 20151 votes

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Shiv's by no means a bad item.

Im Pickle RìckJun 8, 20151 votes

if that is your argument then you should only get the 15% sometimes not all the time after all shiv gives no dmg where as luden's 120 ap

Wînter FoxJun 8, 20151 votes

Only if they make item 3151 as OP as item 3071 . 20% CDR, move speed, more health, and stacking mpen pls

SvddenlyJun 8, 20151 votes

Mpen is weaker than armor pen because armor comes in much larger amounts. Similarly, Shiv doesn't need an AD ratio because AD champs can crit. That's their burst potential. Vs. AP champs who can't do things like magic critting.