Future of Katarina?

Ahri to Rank 1·3/19/2015, 9:25:12 PM·19 votes·3,126 views

Let me just start by saying that I'm a Kat main and do not play her simply because of her "op" state. I will play her no matter how hard she's nerfed in the future. I would really like to know what Riot has planned for Kat, as she's banned EVERY game in solo queue. so far on PBE and Surrender@20, nothing is changed for her. I've heard about a possible rework where her Q damage is switched to the 2nd hit and some scaling changes, but I've also simply heard some damage reductions.

To summarize, I want to carry with Kat in solo queue no matter how bad she is. I'm tired of her constant bans.

A response from Riot confirming some changes or not would be greatly appreciated. I also do not mean for this thread to be a "QQ KAT OP" thread.

Thanks, Jakarith.

45 Comments

Remlap12233/20/2015, 1:24:51 AM13 votes

Jesus Christ, the salt in the comments section. Do you know why Kat is never seen in the LCS? She's stupidly easy to shut down. You know what champions can just nullify her ult?

Aatrox Ahri Alistar Amumu Anivia Annie Ashe Azir Bard Blitzcrank Braum

Ok, you know what, I'm not going to put the rest, because that was literally almost every champion in the first letters of the alphabet. You get my point. This isn't like Riven where only a handful of champs can meaningfully lock her down, Kat's literally presenting herself to get hard CC'd.

fiish e3/19/2015, 9:29:14 PM7 votes

Riot are going to shift power away from one of her spells to another, then they're going to nerf her, her win-rate will drop to sub 40%, the player base will get mad, riot will buff her, afterwards a couple of months will pass where riot nerfs AP items as a whole thus opening the meta up for AP Naut mid.

single eboy3/19/2015, 9:29:12 PM7 votes

I wish they could just leave her as she is now. I liked the change to her passive, it makes her more teamfight focused instead of getting random resets across the map. The nerf to her ultimate didn't really matter to me. I like her kit and I'm also going to play her no matter how hard she might get gutted in the future.

bad arcade kitty3/19/2015, 11:03:12 PM4 votes

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Let me just start by saying that I'm a Kat main and do not play her simply because of her "op" state.

you are laughable how are you a kat main if you don't know that she was insanely broken since her rework like 2 years ago and since then she only got weaker and weaker. when did you main her then? so you played her before rework? or you played her when she was even more broken than now but then suddenly stopped

MrBuffington3/20/2015, 2:47:08 AM3 votes

They had some stuff planned for her before, but it was cancelled. They went through and nerfed/changed all the snowbally assassins (Fizz, Akali, Kassadin, for example) not tooooooo long ago, and Katarina also had some changes in the works, but they decided not to go in that direction (changes here and notice of cancellation here )). I think that's why Kat is kind of this outlier in terms of ban rate right now; no one's banning Akali since she's honestly not too difficult to play against anymore, Fizz got turned into an AD bruiser in top lane/jungle but is otherwise manageable as an AP assassin, and Kassadin...yea, lol

Not sure if they'd go through with another rework in the near future; by the looks of things, they missed the window where they could schedule changes, and so she's probably just going to get nerfs like the ones that popped on PBE a few days ago for the foreseeable future

Seriphym3/20/2015, 6:14:32 AM3 votes

The biggest nerf they could hit Kat with is to ban all the idiots who can't understand how to CC.

Then she would never get fed and she would be nothing but Chum for Fizz's fishies.

I would LOVE to bring back the original Kat Kit and start from square one in deciding how to rework her.

The Devs could rework her off the first draft and "others" could see how REALLY OP she once was and not the shambling mess she has become.

Der Lindwurm3/19/2015, 11:04:03 PM3 votes

I think it's safe to say that some kind of major re-work, as dramatic as the one that turned her into what she is now in 2013, is impending at some point. I really doubt that Kat as she is now, the manaless AoE mage, is at all consistent with whatever the originally envisioned for her.

The best case scenario for me would be that they make her very difficult to play but effective when played carefully and watchfully. Then noobs would have less success with her and stop picking her, no one would bother banning her anymore, and I could actually play her for a change.

Edit to add that if Kat is "OP" it's because her kit punishes the low-level JRPG playstyle (where you just stand there and take whatever the enemy throws at you while throwing your own abilities back and hoping you keep winning the trade) like no other. Kat's ult isn't like like Leona's or Garen's where you'll take some damage if you can't avoid it but chances are you'll still be very much in the fight unless you were already very low on health. With Kat, you HAVE to react (either get away, stun or silence her if you don't have to run towards he to do it, or join in a team effort to quickly erase her) even if most of your bar is left or you will pay dearly. THAT is what low-level players simply can't deal with. And frankly I'm annoyed that the average player is so unbelievably incapable of handing champion whose ult can't just be shrugged off but is otherwise easy to shut down or get away from when she has no CC and has to hold still while doing it.

But what if you're low on health? You're doomed, right? There's nothing to stop her from jumping on you and killing you quickly once you're in range. True. That's Kat, but that's also a long list of other champions. With Karthus, you don't even have to be anywhere near him.

Of course, how is anyone going to ever learn to deal with Kat if she's banned from every game?

Are3/20/2015, 12:19:09 AM3 votes

Well, to address her amazing team fight abilities, Riot could give Katarina some killer instincts and make her a much more high risk, high rewards champion =).

They're looking to rework Katarina somehow, but in the mean time, she will suffer nerfs.

G1Radiobot3/20/2015, 2:36:00 AM2 votes

For me, The frustrating thing about playing against Kat is when I'm doing well against her in lane, then roams and despite the wards I've placed in the river bush, and the repeated danger! danger! retreat! pings, she STILL manages to pick up kills and then wrecks for the rest of the game.

SgtCrispy3/19/2015, 11:45:11 PM2 votes

I think having full resets on every ability except her ult when she gets a kill when she already has low cooldowns and no mana is pretty broken.

EvilRabbitt3/19/2015, 9:56:53 PM2 votes

It's the same thing with Ahri. She's been nerfed hard (you can deny, but two of her skills require her to be even closer than her auto attack range which is bogus) yet is banned. Katarina for some reason is getting banned just as often (if not more) simply because the player base doesn't trust its fellow players. =/

tl;dr? I want to know Kat's status, and if they have plans to move Ahri's power back to season 4 level so I can use her. Sorry for thread jacking. Still relevant.

DanofDemacia3/20/2015, 3:42:39 AM2 votes

Hopefully her future is nerfed into the ground. She is to hard to deal with. Your ability to stop a kat has nothing to do to you with you its what your champs kit can do. Can lux stop a kat. No. can lulu make kat her bitch. yes. People are just like cc her. Some people dont have cc and theres 4 other champions to deal with.

LankPants3/20/2015, 12:27:44 AM1 votes

I feel like at some point something's going to have to be done to slow down her burst a little. At the moment she can hit you with every ability way to quickly and it just doesn't feel like you get any reaction time what so ever.

Cosmic Warper3/20/2015, 6:33:35 PM1 votes

It would be nice if they would just replace her passive and rework her abilities from there. Maybe give her a %CD reset (other than her ult) like yi's ult rather than 15 seconds. Then maybe her skills could be reworked to be more thoughtful. Each ability requires little to no thought and execution to use. I love playing kat, but i'm getting bored of her because she just stomps anyone that wont cc her down.

The Soulforged3/20/2015, 4:29:08 AM1 votes

I'm not sure what mmr Kat is banned a lot in, but I really don't see Kat even close to how often I see someone like nidalee, and bans are even more rare.

DontDieRespawn3/20/2015, 4:52:25 AM1 votes

Future of Kat, Malphite ult, dead kitty, that is all.

Timewinder3/19/2015, 11:41:32 PM1 votes

Right now her health got nerfed on pbe, I think.

Xela Syab3/20/2015, 6:28:55 PM1 votes

They might fizz all over her and she's have to go ad... and maybe take a shower.

SpongebobIsLife3/20/2015, 2:17:13 AM1 votes

I feel ya main, im a kat main as well, but I do admit that in comparison to other champs right now, she's just too easy to carry with in solo que and I feel like something does need to be done about her. So the problem with Kat, is her kit, you cant nerf part of it, without largely buffing her, like you can't nerf her ult damage without buffing her three basic abiltities, and you cant decrease the cast time of her abilities without also buffing their damage, so what I think is gonna end up happening, is a complete rework of her, they are gonna change her passive so that instead of fully resetting, it would just work like a master yi sort of thing, and then the rest of her kit would get reworked in ways Im not sure of yet, but you bet your money that they are going to have to completely overhaul katarina in order to adjust her.