Small buffs for Yasuo

HÍTLÆR·Jan 31, 2020·9 votes·1,648 views

I feel like he is only viable botlane, and most of us can't play him there because we don't know basic lane mechanics as ADC.

He is for superlong out of meta, unplayable. I remember the times when Yasuo was only open or not, you didn't had to worry about the matchups because you could outplay everything.

With this braindead buffs Ekko, Lee Sin got you can't even dash and they kill you, Zed my easiest opponent is much more stronger since early game is now everything. Braindead Le Blanc, Akali all put Yasuo in C tier and he can't even damage Ornn or Sion anymore.

Slightly buff his ult penetration based on rank and double ult damage so he might see soloqueue play again and not only masochism when anyone picks him.

The only people getting triggered about this post will be not Yasuo mains and abusers of mages or crazy mobility dogs, bruisers or tanks.

Small buff riot please see our cries and do something. Thanks!

48 Comments

Posui GartJan 31, 20207 votes

I feel like he is only viable botlane

And I feel he is only nonviable in jungle. You need more than a "feel" to justify game changes

He is for superlong out of meta, unplayable

He wasn't out of meta since his release

The only people getting triggered about this post will be not Yasuo mains

Well sure the idea of buffing a champion that doesnt need buffs will trigger people who play something else

and abusers of mages or crazy mobility dogs, bruisers or tanks.

"and abusers of everything Yasuo can't counter with 1 button"

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

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And I feel he is only nonviable in jungle. You need more than a "feel" to justify game changes

He wasn't out of meta since his release

Well sure the idea of buffing a champion that doesnt need buffs will trigger people who play something else

"and abusers of everything Yasuo can't counter with 1 button"

Why are you so tilted?

Posui GartJan 31, 20205 votes

Im just tired of playing safe as a 5-0 midlaner/adc with 3 items against 0-10 Yasuo with 2 items. If my champion is 0-10, its 4v5 for my team, but if its Yasuo, then its fine, he can 1v2. Remove his undodgeable EQ, R being long enough that he can hit another undodgeable Q again after it, and make his W have no width so he can't stand in it and be immune to attacks from all directions, and remove free cdr on his Q so he can't do a fucking Sona ult every 4 seconds with 1 AS item, then we can talk about buffs

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Your hate for 48%wr champion is obvious. Let's delete him from the game just because you can't play against him.

I can't win against Renekton so does he deserves to be deleted?

If Yasuo 0/10 kills you that's totally by outplaying you, so stop complaining.

Posui GartJan 31, 20203 votes

The whole class of champions can't play against him. And I didn't suggest deleting him, its you who think that if Yasuo can't kill any single champion, he is weak.

His low wr is because he is one of the most popular champions and has high potential of outplaying himself to death if played incorrectly

Renekton falls of late. Yasuo doesn't.

If Yasuo 0/10 kills me, thats probably because either Im a mage, and all my spells are skillshots, so he can dodge them with E or block with wall, and rightclick, or Im an ADC and again he can just dash in and rightclick while his W blocks all projectiles from all directions. And I can live with that, but there is no way for him to be buffed in this state

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Have you ever considered that Yasuo killed you because you missed every skillshot and not because of his wwall, because every mage spams abilities nowadays with no cd, so you must be very bad at hitting them if 0/10 Yasuo kills you. :)

Posui GartJan 31, 20203 votes

you missed every skillshot

Well its hard to hit a skillshot if an enemy has 6 options to dash away AND has windwall AND can just sidestep them like every other player without mobility is supposed to do. And hitting 1 out of 4 still does not guarantee that I win. I am supposed to hit at least half of my abilities against the enemy who can use instant 0.1 sec cd spell to dash away in random direction, otherwise Im dead. And thats if he is 0-10 and I am supposed to be ridiculously ahead, otherwise my whole combo won't be enough to kill him and I 100% die in any 1v1 unless he spams taunt instead of autoattacking. Again, winning 1v1 fights is ok, assassins do that too, but they have a weakness of falling off later without snowball. The only real weakness Yasuo has is that he can't play safe at any point of the game. Yasuo is not punished for mistakes hard enough, thats all.

HighwiseeneJan 31, 20202 votes

Imagine you're playing Tf into yasuo. He holds windwall until you're throwing your yellow card. What do you do? He can force engages with the safety of knowing he can block tfs only option of defense. So you have to play insanely far back just by nature of yasuo's kit.

SaezioJan 31, 20201 votes

Yasuo is in a bad spot. He has been since the true damage was removed from conqueror.

he is sitting at 48% winrate in plat+ diamond+ and masters+.

I would hardly consider that "being in meta"

People just dislike playing against/with the champion. That's why riot always keeps him nerfed and he rarely rises above 50% winrate, or is a solid pick/ban in pro.

It's ok to hate yasuo but don't pretend like it's because he is strong. It's because you don't like him, or because you don't want to learn to play against him.

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Every word can't be more true, and you know what, that hurts haters like him

FSRERJan 31, 20206 votes

Short answer: HELL NO Long answer: Let's see why not

Yasuo, as you already mentioned is out of meta. Why does this happen? Because of the burst damage. He. alongside numerous other champions, can not cope with that due to their kits. Yasuo however, is very different. His kit is very powerful and in the right hands (which we most of the time do not see), he remains an extremely powerful pick which can single handedly carry games.

Then we got your ideas which, in all honestly, are as good as Riot's attempt to nerf Kassadin by giving him -5 speed (aka straight up miss the spot). Him getting more armor pen on his R will simply send him back Toplane and will still be ineffective since he will still be beaten by most melee champions. Won't make him feel better at Midlane Doubling his ult damage will just make him a pick or ban at Botlane, where he is already strong at. The only reason he is very good at botlane right now is how well his kit cooperates with CC oriented supports and how much damage his ultimate deals **and ** how good his followup is after he ults. Again, by doubling his Ult damage, he will remain botlane becoming the bane of every botlane player Won't make him feel better at Midlane

The champions you mention are meant to beat him

Ekko and Zed were always meant to be his counters. Yasuo's kit is oriented around him being a high risk-high reward champion while in reality he has medium risk, low reward with the reward changing based on the meta. However, the thing you don't seem to realise is the fact that he is still very powerful against the champions he was meant to beat. Yasuo's kit is all about engaging (risk) and due to how good his numbers are, him being able to shred (reward) those champions that rely on the enemy staying away from them (mages). He will still be able to beat a Xerath, a Ryze, a Twisted Fate and many more which are all champions that he can get close to. However, he can not bean champions that can engage and disengage at ease while also dealing huge amounts of burst damage which, since the very beggining, were meant to beat him

Tldr Yasuo does not need buffs. His winrates are down due to champions like the ones you mentioned which are (most) overpowered. The mindset of yours, no offense meant, is what brought the game to the situation it currently is in and to be more excact, the "X champion loses to YZ meta (=overpowered) champions = X champion needs to be buffed until he beats them", is what created the Burst meta we currently experience.

And as a side note, I doubt you are using any sort of voting bots (like someone mentioned above). It is just that threads named "X is weak, needs a buff" will bring the (most of the time) one sided mains of X champion which will upvote the thread just because they agree with their champ being better than others.

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Very honest answer, and yes I got up voted because people think same as I do, just one question for you:

If you don't want to buff champions (like every other normal human being)

Why riot buffed Lee Sin instead of nerfing rek sai?

Why riot buffed adc's instead of just nerfing more Xayah and Kai'sa?

Why riot buffed Ekko when he was perfectly balanced.

Why riot buffed Fiora if they didn't buffed tanks?

Why riot reworked Morde and Akali and have much less counterplay to us against them?

Etc...

Reality is, you can't just use Aurelion Sol as balance model and balance all champions up to him, riot will never truly nerf problematic champions and change burst meta because people like that dogsht state of the game and competitive. So let's just buff Yasuo so he can see soloqueue play again.

MLGMASTAJan 31, 20201 votes

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Why riot buffed adc's instead of just nerfing more Xayah and Kai'sa?

i thought you wanted kaisa buffs [sg-lux-2]

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Skin, buffs aren't necessary.

MLGMASTAJan 31, 20201 votes

this is a copy/paste from your other post

With small buffs, she's unplayable rn, 20% less AS on E affected her late game so much, and she can't even survive against this new broken riot champions like Aphelios and Senna.

Post at: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bqKcnXxI-skin-for-kaisa-when?comment=00020000

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Oh fuck I forgot that I said that

FSRERJan 31, 20202 votes

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Very honest answer, and yes I got up voted because people think same as I do, just one question for you:

If you don't want to buff champions (like every other normal human being)

Why riot buffed Lee Sin instead of nerfing rek sai?

Why riot buffed adc's instead of just nerfing more Xayah and Kai'sa?

Why riot buffed Ekko when he was perfectly balanced.

Why riot buffed Fiora if they didn't buffed tanks?

Why riot reworked Morde and Akali and have much less counterplay to us against them?

Etc...

Reality is, you can't just use Aurelion Sol as balance model and balance all champions up to him, riot will never truly nerf problematic champions and change burst meta because people like that dogsht state of the game and competitive. So let's just buff Yasuo so he can see soloqueue play again.

Riot's balance team has been incompetent since Season 7. That is why the can't balance the game correctly (and money on highly played champions might affect that as well) and they can't understand that each champions balance model should be himself, not other champions.

It seems you ignored the entirety of the part I talked on why Yasuo should not be buffed and that he still is a very good pick against certain champions. You wen't ahead and mentioned some very bad balancing decisions they made (which were mostly made for Worlds/LCS) and then you simply go and follow their mindsets and say "since I dislike them buffing one champion to beat another, they should buff MY champion to beat others so I can be happy" which as I already said is the reason this game got how bad it is right now.

And as a side note, the real Yasuo mains would **never **ask for such an unreasonable buff as the ones you suggested or ever say their champion is anywhere close to weak and if you don't believe me, and want to hear better advice on how to more effectively play Yasuo, just head over to the Yasuo main Reddit and see for yourself

PyrosanJan 31, 20201 votes

He got 5 upvotes in the span of one minute when the thread had 20 views, I literally watched it happen, every time I f5'd it went up lol

Even if he had sent the link to his friends or w/e and asked them to upvote it, that'd still be considered vote manipulation.

Boards posts can go over the 1,000 mark and not even be touched in upvotes, it's absurd to consider it anything else other than vote manipulation, especially on a topic as fragile as Yasuo.

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Bark

PyrosanJan 31, 20201 votes

Very intelligent.

MLGMASTAJan 31, 20201 votes

yeah its big brain time

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

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He got 5 upvotes in the span of one minute when the thread had 20 views.

You are not afraid to bark now, but when I asked you for 1v1 on NA you gone because you are scared not to see urself demolished on 150 ping

PyrosanJan 31, 20201 votes

The account "yourvirginmother" you listed doesn't exist as an account anywhere, you're clearly troll posting and I'm biting for the sake of it since NA boards aren't alive yet lol

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

You scared to confess to all this people that I just rekt you 1v1 Urgot vs Urgot? It's okay buddy, that was close one! GG

RagnaveilJan 31, 20201 votes

I mean, Yas just needs changes to be a fighter, his kit is better off being fighter based than strapped to high hell in crit hell. Would remove some of the problems people have with him too.

PyrosanJan 31, 20205 votes

"Small buff riot please see our cries and do something. Thanks!"

ours being yours no one wants to see yasuo buffed, except yasuo players

edit: i see you're votebotting your post too, nice lmao

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20203 votes

I am not using it. People just disagree with your opinion and agree with mine, nothing wrong with that.

PyrosanJan 31, 20203 votes

Yeah I'm sure you get 5 upvotes when other thread's have 1000's of views and maintain 1 upvote. You are logging into alternative accounts and upvoting your own posts.

You really know your post is completely fucking baseless if you have to vote maniuplate it to begin with, why don't you do actual research and let genuine opinions critique or agree with it rather than just trying to cheese your way to the top - which will eventually get taken down due to you manipulating it anyway?

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20203 votes

You are out of your mind, I would never do something like that! I never personally offended you and you do this to me all the time. Goodbye cruel world I go suicidez thanks!

PyrosanJan 31, 20202 votes

...this is our first encounter.

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

{quoted}

...this is our first encounter.

1v1 me noob

PyrosanJan 31, 20201 votes

Sure, got an EUW or NA account?

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

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Sure, got an EUW or NA account?

I have ill play on 150 NA ping and send u to Mars (eu>na)

PorosenJan 31, 20201 votes

{quoted}

I have ill play on 150 NA ping and send u to Mars (eu>na)

I'm literally from EUW. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Add me Ign yourvirginmother

MLGMASTAJan 31, 20203 votes

double the damage of yasuo ult = small buff... but tbh yasuo could use more mr/armor imo, but then again its my opinion, so im gonna get downvoted to oblivion [slayer-jinx-wink]

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20202 votes

Every champion can get small mr buffs since mages are most broken class in the game and there is no good item against fed mage and especially ap assassins.

MLGMASTAJan 31, 20201 votes

maybe not all champs (cough cough) MORGANA, but srly tho im tired of seeing leblancs and dianas every other game, and i especially dont like this cc burst meta we are in, im looking at you eve

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Yes, and if Diana not kills you with her full combo, she still have attack speed of an Botrk + berzerkers + Yi ult as passive to finish you off.

TerozuJan 31, 20202 votes

He's literally the most played champ mid lane.

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Yes and everybody plays him in hope to enjoy but in reality they just suffer playing Yasuo just like me.

SaezioJan 31, 20201 votes

That says nothing. Lee is always the most played jungle even when unviable (not right now, but when he was)

Champs play rate has nothing to do with strength, or rather it CAN have nothing to do with it.

Yasuo and zed are 2 of the most played champions ALWAYS even when they are trash. People just love to play them. Same with champs like lee, riven etc.

If you want to determine subjective strength, check challenger and pro pickrates and winrates.

HideSideJan 31, 20202 votes

To be honest, everyone knows on his main champion how to deal with yasuo and dont say no, since its actually true, beside mages cuz mages are mages ( I mean players :D )... Everyone look at yasuo as it it was trash champ to play, but when it comes to buffing then all you say is that he is fkin OP and broken and thus annoying to play against, but that everyone knows how to deal with yasuo because everyone can do something that fks up with yasuo no matter how good he is, is something everyone as if on purpose ignore. Melee eats him ( as long as they know what they are doing), assassins eats him, supports at botlane eats him even more than adc since he has to be close to adc to actually do something, junglers... Dont know where to get easy kills? Gank Yasuo! WOW! Beside adcs and half ( barely a half) of mages have it somewhat hard... (And some mages have it hard because of given player playing him rather than because of kit.)

Dont forget that yasuo is meme level, thats in how bad spot Yasuo ( I am personally happy when we play against yasuo, both as toplaner and also as jungler...)

https://imgur.com/LL6UadO

l MrD lJan 31, 20201 votes

Im all for yasuo buffs but first ...

Something needs to be done with his windwall .... and possible limit his mobility

Hes kinda a lane bully that scales so hard while sticking up a braum

They need to move any frustration he has to have any buffs done ....

HÍTLÆRJan 31, 20201 votes

Fair enough comment but I am scared that Yas will lose his identity like Mordekaiser lost with those changes.

MLGMASTAJan 31, 20201 votes

WARNING: this post contains opinions

i might add to this and say that they could nerf yasuo’s E a couple units (maybe 10-20 meters idk) to limit his mobility, increase the armor pen by 10% on his ult, and make it so that the more champions you hit, the less the physical damage (maybe reduce by 5% per champ) but the armor pen gain increases by 5%per champ ulted, making it so that the yasuo has to rely on more skill after the fact, rather than triple Q R penta

QuáxJan 31, 20201 votes

How to get your post mass downvoted instantly 101

Mid SummonerJan 31, 20201 votes

I actually don't mind yasuo as damn near all of them manage to outplay themselves sometime during the game which can cause them to singlehandedly lose the game sometimes. The thing that bothers me about yasuo is that 0 / 4 yasuo with PD is still a very scary 1v1 threat and I can't kill him. That and his windwall. oh and the fact that he gets rewarded for playing like an ape.