What's wrong with graves?

Kokiri Star·3/29/2017, 2:30:57 PM·11 votes·2,114 views

Why is he pulling off this damage and healing, constantly dashing, being pretty unkillable,? after the rework he's been a monster and I'm not sure where this is all coming from

45 Comments

Melledoneus3/29/2017, 4:01:55 PM8 votes

It's coming from the fact that Riot thinks this kind of crap is actually remotely balanced. But at least they're hitting the MR on his true grit.

Illâoi Evê Siôn3/29/2017, 3:13:18 PM3 votes

I hear he can apply as many Black Cleaver stacks as he hits pellets per attack.

######Just make Black Cleaver melee only already.

Sire Hippington3/29/2017, 7:26:32 PM2 votes

Pretty easy: Easy mode jungle farm cause his AAs have a knockback vs monster, exremly strong AAs(His AAs have a 140-200% ad ratio on close range) but with reload, which means he can easily reposition without loosing dps and attack in powerfull bursts(high synergie with lifesteal), and a rather overtuned Q(375+1.95ad, about the same damage as a fully charged sion Q). All in all, he's tuned like a melee just that he actually is ranged, and his burst is just to high for how well he can kite and dps. A full burst rotation with E-AA-Q-AA-R does 2.8-4.0 total ad + 925 ~3.5bonusad, with evt the W for another 260 damage and if he got of an AA befor E, he can get another 1.4-2.0 total ad to that

Kokiri Star3/29/2017, 2:37:18 PM2 votes

it's not lethality, he got stomped in lane and as soon as i tried to solo him I got stomped, as xin zhao, he keeps dashing and doesn't take any damage, whiel healing anything i do.

xJLx MCHammer3/29/2017, 2:42:03 PM2 votes

He has free Resistance He also does a crap done of damage

He is like a melee bruiser

Troy2426213/29/2017, 3:04:30 PM2 votes

His True Grit and his passive knockback give significant durability, he has incredible burst, and he has considerable sustained damage. Once he has items, the line is blurred even further due to lifesteal and crits, and he just becomes a mobile Attack Damage Carry Assassin Bruiser.

In summation, f*cking ban Graves.

Troll for Trump3/30/2017, 12:33:56 AM1 votes

It's because of his withdrawal.

Ever since Riot took away his cigar, he just hasn't been the same.

HoldingDruid3/30/2017, 12:34:34 AM1 votes

it's becuase Riot took away his cigar.

B00B003/29/2017, 2:34:17 PM1 votes

its lethality for the damage and as for tanginess your team is letting him stack, need to stop him stacking or peel and wait for the timer to fall off an re-engage.

The Deckowner3/30/2017, 1:05:59 AM1 votes

Answer to title: EVERYTHING.

Dethflash3/29/2017, 3:11:37 PM1 votes

I dont get why he needs extra resistances, when his auto attacks alone kit all the jungle monster. He has a healthy clear of jungle already why give him more resistances? Riot was talking aboht removing the MR his E gives him, so that AP champions can TRY to counter him. I dont know if that will be enough though, he has been a god tier, to demi god tier jungler almost the whole time since his rework

Hexs Fortune3/29/2017, 3:30:08 PM1 votes

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Why is he pulling off this damage and healing, constantly dashing, being pretty unkillable,? after the rework he's been a monster and I'm not sure where this is all coming from

They took his cigar, he called John Wick

Cavesloth3/29/2017, 4:10:47 PM1 votes

While he can be tilting as hell to play against, hes only got 51% winrate. Mainly because if you ward and see him coming his ganks are pretty meh since his only real cc is a small aoe slow/blind. Now when the other lanes fail to do this and feed him, yeah I feel your pain. He hurts... alot.

CrazFight 3/29/2017, 8:04:03 PM1 votes

all Im saying is that he wasn't this OP when he had a cigar :^) I think we know what to do...

love god3/29/2017, 11:02:31 PM1 votes

Y'all make him out to be completely broken, yet he has 51% winrate below plat and 50.7% winrate everywhere else. I understand that winrate isn't everything, but if you are going to make a balance related post, or ask a question as is in this case, try not to just QQ and instead look for legitimate criticisms of the champion's balance in his current, CURRENT, state.