Alistars Headbutt

Glorious··4 votes·961 views

Alright so this is more of a question that anything.

Alistar

From what I've seen I like the change from 'targeted' to 'skillshot' and the fact that its slower moving, now the softer alistar builds have a decent escape if need be.

I've played jungle alistar a few times and think there's a lot of potential there, he's got great sustain, is naturally tanky and the cc helps with ganks.

So by the looks of things his new W knocks jungle monsters right through walls and out of their camps, (it used to as well, but was tameable if u aimed it right) does this mean I should say bye to my hopes of perfecting jungle Alistar?

-I do remember changes in the past with intent of removing viability from jungle Alistar, why was that?

The fact that you can't pass wall's yourself is a let down, I can imaging being stuck behind a wall while a teammate is on the other side getting caned and I can no longer come outta nowhere with the saves.

Lastly, I want jungle thresh, I've tried it more than I should have but he just has a bit too much trouble surviving efficiently, I always end up behind. (Those ganks though) wouldn't it be good to see thresh in another role besides just support as he has such an interesting kit. (Please make it possible)

Was it intended for his targets to pass through walls when headbutted? Why?

What's the reason for not letting Alistar Himself pass through walls with his headbutt?

Thanks Glorious Viktor

16 Comments

Kingsgrave4 votes

Riot doesn't want Alistar to do anything besides support apparently

The W change is nice because you can actually dodge his WQ combo somewhat and it actually takes skill to land and time it, and timing it is more about skill rather than ping, which is nice.

They removed the ability to go over walls with it because that adds too much mobility to a champion that already has an insane amount of power. He can stun lock someone for over 2 seconds, gets 70% damage reduction and can heal constantly. Giving him the ability to over walls seems a bit much.

Every time he goes anywhere else they complain and then mega nerf him, even though the W change will actually hurt his supporting since it deals damage to the full wave and his trample getting buffed recently to double damage vs minions is also weird for his support lane

I have no idea what Riot actually wants him to do anymore

If they really wanted Alistar to jungle they would finally rework his E like they talked about extensively a year ago

Glorious1 votes

I guess his true place will be cemented in top lane then, which is fine and all, its just a shame since his kit has a lot of potential in the jungle, I mean try countering jungling an alistar.

Kingsgrave1 votes

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I guess his true place will be cemented in top lane then, which is fine and all, its just a shame since his kit has a lot of potential in the jungle, I mean try countering jungling an alistar.

Well he won't be able to go top until his kit is majorly reworked since he has no real trading power or dueling potential and he runs out of mana faster than Malphite does

Meep Man1 votes

{quoted}

Riot doesn't want Alistar to do anything besides support apparently

The W change is nice because you can actually dodge his WQ combo somewhat and it actually takes skill to land and time it, and timing it is more about skill rather than ping, which is nice.

They removed the ability to go over walls with it because that adds too much mobility to a champion that already has an insane amount of power. He can stun lock someone for over 2 seconds, gets 70% damage reduction and can heal constantly. Giving him the ability to over walls seems a bit much.

Every time he goes anywhere else they complain and then mega nerf him, even though the W change will actually hurt his supporting since it deals damage to the full wave and his trample getting buffed recently to double damage vs minions is also weird for his support lane

I have no idea what Riot actually wants him to do anymore

If they really wanted Alistar to jungle they would finally rework his E like they talked about extensively a year ago

I Top Ali. But yeah, Top and Support are what they support. I think the reason they said they don't want to support jungle Ali is due to Level 2 Malphite Ultimate BUT Im not sure if that is smart in the jungle.

Rockman1 votes

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Kingsgrave1 votes

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Yeah I don't get why he can't go through walls. You have so many other skills that can, they just decide this one can't. Is Gragas not gonna be able to now?

Gragas doesnt heal other people Gragas doesnt have on demand 70% damage reduction Gragas doesn't have a 1.5 second stun

Rockman2 votes

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Glorious1 votes

How cool would it be if he headbutted someone against a wall he pins the enemy there with his horns ( both of them stuck on a wall for a second)

Rockman1 votes

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Glorious1 votes

That's true, I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens with poppy, and If she'll keep that part of her kit.

Seems a bit silly that something as big as a Bull charging with that much momentum would just stop as it hits an enemy, would make much more sense for him to plow through and keep going, with whatever was unlucky enough to be caught by his horns first to be dragged along with him.

I know you can e-q but what's the point in initiating a fight by hitting the enemies away?

Edbwn1 votes

And Gnar and Vayne?

Sukishoo1 votes

No more worries for anyone, it's been confirmed to be an error https://twitter.com/Pwyff/status/557678106551812096

Glorious2 votes

AWWW MAN!!!!! :(

Edbwn1 votes

I feel ya there lol

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Well, support is debatable now, as they've removed headbutt's ability to even hit a target mid dash/warp. Now so long as Jax used leap strike before alistar's headbutt connected, he would not be knocked away, or even take damage from the ability. I thought zoning was alistar's purpose but riot's balance team seems to be unclear on the matter.

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