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Partial Revert for Rengar to make him relevant again

II Type One II·6/14/2017, 10:42:37 PM·70 votes·2,328 views

Hi Dear Riot, I'm here to talk about the champ that i loved to play the most since season 3 , rengar , the champion that made me love this game and me have alot of fun and really good times , but now all of that is gone since i no longer have fun with him. its been a while since rengar has been considered a diver , its true he was more or less a diver before the rework but thats not the point. There is one point i wanna talk with all of you and its the rework.A lot of Rengar Mains including me are not having fun anymore with him and that makes me and everyone else who mains him pretty sad. Rengar before the rework was so way more fun then the current one thanks to his old Q(the mechanic being an auto reset), to be serious it felt more satisfing killing people one by one instead of killing them all at once. imo , having old rengar back is probably the best option right now to make him not only fun to play again but also very easy to deal with , but with once exeption , partially revert him and leave some of his current kit aspects intact (mainly current ferocity and current R), what im saying is have the old Q back the current kit can be used with the old Q perfectly the only change can be made is the ult, feeling a bit weak too but simple to work on it. Removing the crit when he leaps on the target. Thats my opinion to make rengar feel playable again and fun to everyone also while also maintaining the counterplay aspect, i would love to see what you guys think , any feedback is appreciated.

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GULAG 4 U6/15/2017, 1:02:06 AM6 votes

17 upvotes in 2 hours without any comments. r/rengarmains vote manipulation much?

Also how is old Q easier to deal with than new Q? Old was point and click unavoidable damage. Don't bring me up strawman about how other champions have point and clicks. We're talking 'bout rengar. New Q, albeit it is not as 'fun', has a lot more counterplay.

I don't have anything against suggesting a rework for rengar, but when you spit things around, make claims and don't back them up, then there is something wrong.

Enrovy6/15/2017, 1:09:59 AM6 votes

you dont need to comment when upvoting
Old rengar q still only hits one person, new q can hit multiple and does the same amount of damage to each

Auurun6/15/2017, 11:07:02 AM4 votes

Can we stop with this "bring old q back" thing? Yes the current is clunky, don't fit assassin with this aoe and because of it's speed it still failed at bringing counterplay. That doesn't mean the old one was good. Being a little bit better than a shit is not much of a compliment, is it? What rengar needs is yet another Q that this time has true counterplay and is smooth at the same time and if you want him to be more of a single target champion so badly why not search the solution in other champions? What I mean by that? Karthus. His Q deal double damage when it's hitting a single target. Isn't mechanic like this perfect for a assassin?

By the way... Is anyone surprised that he end up as a diver when with his mobility he can go only in and his W is aoe itself that for some reason was healing him? Because I'm not.

Thefrostyviking6/15/2017, 12:56:08 PM4 votes

Old Q can probably not come back due to the reason it was removed.

The mechanic as a auto reset was too good on an assassin like rengar, it allowed him to beat skirmishers and divers 1v1 in frontal fights which was not intended.

And people had no way to avoid the Q damage either.

Thus it had two major issue's for a supposed assassin/hybrid assassin.

Only way to fix one of those was to remove the auto reset mechanic, other was to make it a partial skillshot or give it a windup mechanic like kled has on his W which wouldn't make much sense for rengar.

And thus the current one was born, it is possible to avoid it if the person uses a flash (instant teleport) ability or goes untargetable. Or if they just have enough movespeed to move around and confuse the Rengar making him miss it.

Health wise its far superior to old Q.

But it's indeed clunky and slow in comparison which hurts the " fun factor" so to write, and i can understand the sadness in that but even so i dont think old Q will come back.