Nocturne literally can't play any other lane

ReadyForHappines··16 votes·2,066 views

Most junglers can at least survive, and sometimes thrive, in other lanes than the jungle. This isn't the case for Nocturne. The sheer mana cost of all of his abilities keeps him from sustaining and even being able to be competent in any other lane. Without the blue buff, his outrageous mana costs mixed with his very low mana pool/regen rate keeps him from being even playable outside of the jungle.

Can this please be addressed? I miss Topturne

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Vesarixx10 votes

Galio High mana cost and a low mana pool? Someone talking about me?

Hecarim What? No, we're talking about champions that can jungle but can't lane. Who even are you?

Fiddlesticks Khazix Champions that can jungle but can't lane? You mean us?

Hecarim No, we're talking about Noc...wait you two can jungle?

LatetotheRace1 votes

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Galio High mana cost and a low mana pool? Someone talking about me?

Hecarim What? No, we're talking about champions that can jungle but can't lane. Who even are you?

Fiddlesticks Khazix Champions that can jungle but can't lane? You mean us?

Hecarim No, we're talking about Noc...wait you two can jungle?

You telling me you've never tried galio jungle? Psssh, works great mate.

Wayward Killjoy1 votes

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Galio High mana cost and a low mana pool? Someone talking about me?

Hecarim What? No, we're talking about champions that can jungle but can't lane. Who even are you?

Fiddlesticks Khazix Champions that can jungle but can't lane? You mean us?

Hecarim No, we're talking about Noc...wait you two can jungle?

LOL You know post level 6 Kha'Zix shits on people in mid lane right? xD

YumaS2Astral2 votes

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LOL You know post level 6 Kha'Zix shits on people in mid lane right? xD

I use Kha'Zix at lane many times. Yes, he can lane. He may not be the best laner but he works well as a counterpick to many champions, and scale surprisingly well as an assassin during the mid/late game. His early game, despite being vulnerable, is not weak either.

Fiddlesticks is the only one who I can say that can jungle but can't lane. This is because unlike Kha'Zix, Fiddlesticks has no mobility and it sucks to last hit with him.

Vesarixx1 votes

It's weird I was vs a Kha'Zix in my last game, for some reason the enemy team had an ADC Gangplank and a support thresh that swapped with the solo lane Kha'Zix, so the comp was GP/Trhesh top, Vel'Koz mid, Kha'Zix bot and Shaco jungle. Ended up being a very strange game.

dangopee8 votes

Same with Vi and what's worse is your main all in is also your escape and is a highly telegraphed skill shot. BUT I STILL PLAY LANE Vi

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

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Same with Vi and what's worse is your main all in is also your escape and is a highly telegraphed skill shot. BUT I STILL PLAY LANE Vi

I love lane Vi. I build her like a juggernaut people never see it coming!

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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Same with Vi and what's worse is your main all in is also your escape and is a highly telegraphed skill shot. BUT I STILL PLAY LANE Vi

what? i can see vi top lane. shes kinda tanky. not really but shes a good bruiser. counters a bunch of top laners

dangopee1 votes

Actually most laners counter her. She is decent against squishy immobile laners with little or no hard cc or self peel (more common mid lane), even then if you let Vi charge her Q for over a second right in front of you and then actually get hit by it, you deserve to lose. Lane Vi is mainly about shoving lane then roaming/ganking, which is why I think item 3748 is godly on her.

Xicashina1 votes

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what? i can see vi top lane. shes kinda tanky. not really but shes a good bruiser. counters a bunch of top laners

Its not a matter of vi top not being vi-able (heh-heh) its that there are so many better top laners who are better laners than vi and scale better with the extra gold from laning EX. Hecarim

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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what? i can see vi top lane. shes kinda tanky. not really but shes a good bruiser. counters a bunch of top laners

Which top laners, you say?

Wayward Killjoy1 votes

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Which top laners, you say?

The tanky ones and most importantly Nasus

Captain Aishi1 votes

Vi does exceptionally well against maokai as i've found out last season she can lane decently against renekton as well so I'm pretty sure she can handle most matchups (wouldn't recomment against fiora for obvious reasons though)

IcyPepper2 votes

your main all in is also your escape

You see, that's what I like about Vi. That's how I find jungle bruisers should be, unlike one of the holy trinity of jungle bruisers (hint: not J4).

Little Stick Man7 votes

just don't spam abilities you have no reason to burn through mana unless youre going in for the kill or getting away from a gank, at most youd just tag them with q then trade on the dusktrail

Rundus11 votes

That's my noc top strat. Cremate kids with minimal mana costs

Little Stick Man1 votes

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That's my noc top strat. Cremate kids with minimal mana costs

the amount of free ad you get from dusktrail is fucking GROSS

Catastrop3 votes

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Most junglers can at least survive, and sometimes thrive, in other lanes than the jungle.

item 3070 Fiddlesticks item 3070

DillyDallyGhosT2 votes

Play him in mid lane, same with Vi. They likely won't kill their opponents but they clear waves decently and have terrifying roams, especially nocturne.

That said, these champions are designed to have high mana costs because their kits would make them incredibly oppressive laners if they didn't have steep mana costs. That's typically the case for champions who turn out to be more jungle oriented in their kits, they get bakanced around it. This typically involves a high damaging spell plus a gaurenteed ability to engage on your opponent, nocturne has all of the above. Trust me, you don't want him to be good as a laner because he would be gutted if he was.

SaltyKracka1 votes

Go ahead and play topturne. Plenty of champions have ridiculous mana costs, and since you know you'll be playing him in a position he's not very good in anyways...

Bears Dont Care1 votes

He is like eve, no lane but jungle

Pasta Help Desk1 votes

item 2033 is a good start for noc and should give you enough sustain in lane for it to work. Especially if you take that mastery in the cunning tree that makes potions 10% better.

elon wątroba1 votes

Top nocturne isn't that bad, i have played him a few times in season 5 in top lane.

Wayward Killjoy1 votes

Speaking of Kha being able to play mid and jungle champs that don't play other lanes...

Nocturne Mid is a little ridiculous due to the spell shield and sustain Fiddlesticks Is the same kind of support as Annie and Morgana (Freaking annoying) Vi Is a great top laner against tank tops because of her % damage. She's a great counter to nasus early game too, and she has the ability to poke and CS at the same time with her E, she does less well against ranged and damage oriented top laners though Skarner Is an interesting support (Not necessarily a good one) and is probably the jungler that has the hardest time in a lane imo

Solidair31 votes

I've actually seen some very successful top lane nocturne's in my day.

That being said, I'm not sure how they could buff him for more widespread lane use when he is already sporting a more than healthy winrate out of the jungle.

Wayward Killjoy1 votes

Keep in mind MANY champions have the problem with their all ins being their escapes Fiora has this problem Shyvana has this problem Aatrox has this problem Nautilus has this problem

Shall I go on?

Dar Raksada1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doomy Prince,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8vkJIg2,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2015-12-17T04:59:52.990+0000)

Keep in mind MANY champions have the problem with their all ins being their escapes Fiora has this problem Shyvana has this problem Aatrox has this problem Nautilus has this problem

Shall I go on?

I wouldn't call it a problem, it's a fairly healthy balance decision. It means a champion needs to pick its fights instead of just jumping into everything.

LankPants1 votes

Most junglers can at least survive, and sometimes thrive, in other lanes than the jungle.

This isn't exactly true. A lot of junglers are even worse in lane than Nocturne.

Lane Amumu , Elise , Evelynn , Fiddlesticks , Rammus and Sejuani are all far worse than lane Noct.

King Odin1 votes

Lane Amumu is amazing!!!!!!!

Valor Simulator1 votes

Lane rammus works as well just taunt them under tower and rush a sunfirecape and all in 6 and you should win

Chaos6891 votes

Sadly, top warwick...has died

Dar Raksada1 votes

I used to like nocturne mid, not sure if it still works (it started flask). You build his as a melee carry/assassin. Splitpush hard because you an 11 anyone, your ult will allow you to still join teamfights.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I play mid Nocturne into cc bots like Ahri and Annie. It's a very volatile lane, but if you're good, it works well!

BurningRice1 votes

I play Nocturne mid top or jungle. Yes he has mana issues but just make his abilities count for something and you don't need to worry about your mana. He is actually really good in lane in most match ups just be smart when casting spells

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