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Zac and Aatrox

Mage Lord Nelber·10/1/2014, 6:53:39 AM·1 votes·1,129 views

(I actually should have posted this here >.> my bads)

Can these two awesomely unique champions get fixes/reworks so they can be fun to play? I mean..

-Zac use to be, until he constantly had pieces of his kit removed over and over and over again, so maybe he just needs some of those returned.

-But Aatrox..... needs like 2 of his skills to do something more then they do... especially since they cost the most HP per ability use in the game as well as have huge cooldowns.

2 relatively brand new champions in the game... unplayable/untouched because they don't fit the gameplay... w-w-what? Doesn't something feel wrong here?

I mean... both Darius and Draven literally changed the META/gameplay of the entirety of league because they were so broken upon release, yet they were never Rengar'd/Olaf'd/Zac'd/ or an Aatrox.

So would it be ok if they could be fixed to be the proper champions they should be... and let them change the flow of League so it can adapt and not become stagnant like it's starting to feel? :) pllllzzzz

10 Comments

KSHarrison10/1/2014, 7:01:15 AM2 votes

Aatrox top is strong. He's more common in EU. In fact SK Gaming's top laner mains Aatrox, and it's usually a permaban against him.

Don't know enough about Zac to comment on him, but the general trend of top lane tanks is to have either tons of AoE CC with a laning phase that beats most meta match ups or to have lots of CC with strong survivability. Since Zac offers lots of CC, I can only guess his problems lie with either his lane match ups in the current meta or that his survivability is too unreliable (picking up patches of slime). Or maybe people just haven't discovered him.

Dreamspitter10/1/2014, 6:58:21 AM1 votes

(I actually should have posted this here >.> my bads)

Can these two awesomely unique champions get fixes/reworks so they can be fun to play? I mean..

-Zac use to be, until he constantly had pieces of his kit removed over and over and over again, so maybe he just needs some of those returned.

What removed?

Bharhash10/1/2014, 2:36:22 PM1 votes

If I can force the other person to waste an item slot (and it is a waste) on Executioner, then I've done my team a favor. To hit on some of your other points.

Cleanse is a thing, as is QS/Mercurial Scimitar. Very few people have the reaction time to flash in the time it takes for Aatrox's jump to finish. Hitting with his E isn't actually too difficulty, especially if you catch them in the middle of their minions

I can't tell you how many times I've had folks try to drop ignite on me and I just wrecked their face anyways. Aatrox remains one of the few melee champs that can adequately respond to the growing trend of ranged top picks. He's also a pretty safe pick with his escape.

WeFlyNoLie10/1/2014, 4:35:36 PM1 votes

I still play Zac in ranked every now and again in either top or jungle and I don't see much of an issue. I can't speak to effectiveness, because Zac jungle is slow to start and can easily be counter jungled, but he still has huge CC capabilities and decent base damage to the point where he can build straight tank items and still do some damage.

Zac top isn't bad, his harassment is pretty good with his Q and W, ganks are pretty easy to set up with his E and R. But not all match ups are in his favor, so use your best judgment.

Your post seems to be talking to them being "fun to play". I can say with confidence Zac is still very fun to play, bouncing around and slingshotting everywhere.

They may have removed some of his skill effects, but his skills still function the same way they did on release.

Bharhash10/1/2014, 5:14:21 PM1 votes

BotRK or BT, Warmogs, Shiv, and Visage are pretty much my core four. With masteries and runes, I don't often find myself with the need for boots. Items 5 and 6 tend to be my situation slots. Randuins if I'm getting burst too fast, or Hydra if I'm snowballing like mad. My build's sufficient I've gone and solo'd Baron by level 13.

Vertanium10/1/2014, 6:46:39 PM1 votes

Zac is one of my main jungles, I love him. Remember how they buffed him so his W was lowered when he picked up blobs? That's what makes him strong, I usually go 9/21/0 and get the regen, tenacity and movespeed reduction in defense, and get CDR and AP in Offense. In teamfights, when you ult, you get crazy amounts of blobs, allowing you to Spam W. Yes they took things out of his ult, but If you build him correctly, (I usually go full tank, then get one pseudo offensive item like, Liandry's or Rylais) he is really strong.

TL:DR Yes they took things out of his ult, but the rest of his kit is still good, (even his ult is amazing still) That W buff really helps his clear and his power as well.