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Someone at riot... open your eyes... lee sin is BROKEN and its not the stats

Vargol··9 votes·1,521 views

Lets do a checklist of LeeSin :

  • Can be dps tank (Check)
  • Dash (Check)
  • Range (Check)
  • Shield (Check)
  • LifeSteal (Check)
  • Spellvamp (Check)
  • CC (Check)
  • Reveal Invisible units (Check)
  • Dont need mana (Check)
  • It uses energy (Check).... Well, at least he must wait to refill.... wait.... can recover energy (Check)
  • Attack Speed (Check)
  • Can traspass walls (Check)

This is a Strategy game, tactical and team based game. I understand.... But Its not difficult to see what im trying to say. YOU CANT Make a character with all the mechanics... simply you cant.... And you cant say "Wait, but lee sin is difficult to master" You have 4 buttons Difficult is the A-10 the ultra realistic flight simulator. its not the point

The point is, if 2 players are equally good... i dont need to say who have advantage.

I really like lee sin, is a very original champ. But.. in lol this kind of characters ruin the game, because he doesnt have any weakness... thats the problem.. no weakness at all...

Silly things like adding a CD to the W when you use your Q to kick the target make the decision more strategy like... if you jump you know you have to stay there a couple of seconds to return and not keep jumping like crazy without thinking

32 Comments

Narasimha8 votes

Urgot has:

  • Enemy damage reduction
  • Range
  • Shield
  • Poke
  • CC
  • Armor reduction
  • Armor and MR boost
  • Forced enemy movement
  • Uses mana which lasts longer than energy late game
  • Can be a dps tank

Rito please Urgot is broken and its not the numbers.

Urieldhynne1 votes

Urgot lack of the base damage and mobility that lee sin has. Try again Lee sin fanboy.

Kowe The Ewok4 votes

Ther are two things that broke Lee: 1.) The initial velocity increase on Q after hsi release when peoplehadn't figured him yet, making it near undodgeable 2.) The introduction of free ward trinkets and sightstone which completely removed the limiting factor on his W

Lord Macaroni4 votes

Ward jumping is really unnecessary on Lee, but it's why he's so popular. The only reason he has it, is because Riot thinks it's cool when he can catch up to you running away half a lane away, get behind you and make a flashy play kicking you away from your tower. Ward jumping really gives him way too much flexibility in terms of initiating reilable ganks and escaping sloppy positioning/over-commitment to a fight.

BlackRaven4 votes

Lets do a checklist of LeeSin :

  • Can be dps tank (Check)
  • Dash (Check)
  • Range (Check)
  • Shield (Check)
  • LifeSteal (Check)
  • Spellvamp (Check)
  • CC (Check)
  • Reveal Invisible units (Check)
  • Dont need mana (Check)
  • It uses energy (Check).... Well, at least he must wait to refill.... wait.... can recover energy (Check)
  • Attack Speed (Check)
  • Can traspass walls (Check)

This is a Strategy game, tactical and team based game. I understand.... But Its not difficult to see what im trying to say. YOU CANT Make a character with all the mechanics... simply you cant.... And you cant say "Wait, but lee sin is difficult to master" You have 4 buttons Difficult is the A-10 the ultra realistic flight simulator. its not the point

The point is, if 2 players are equally good... i dont need to say who have advantage.

I really like lee sin, is a very original champ. But.. in lol this kind of characters ruin the game, because he doesnt have any weakness... thats the problem.. no weakness at all...

Silly things like adding a CD to the W when you use your Q to kick the target make the decision more strategy like... if you jump you know you have to stay there a couple of seconds to return and not keep jumping like crazy without thinking

his weaknesses are cc and and eyes. you should try mastering his weaknesses before complaining.

Vargol1 votes

Of course!!! youre right!!!! hes blind!!! ill check the store for an item with a passive that makes "tons of damage" to blind people XD

BlackRaven4 votes

Of course!!! youre right!!!! hes blind!!! ill check the store for an item with a passive that makes "tons of damage" to blind people XD

exhaust, randuins, support cc, umm lets see, flash? lets see wards, lets see.. pupils?

Urieldhynne1 votes

CC and all that you mention counter every champion in the game. Is like "you can counter X, just killing him"

BlackRaven3 votes

i checked ur match history, u were playing hec jungle and got rekt by an enemy lee jungle and came here right away to complain... stupid tool.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

Zac No need to be mean.

Vargol1 votes

Not the first time i played against a lee... and of course, you can share your opinion when you actually play against a good lee... You dont say anything about what im telling, why? is because you agreed with me?.. your nick says it all "Maximun lee sin" hahaha.

BlackRaven3 votes

Not the first time i played against a lee... and of course, you can share your opinion when you actually play against a good lee... You dont say anything about what im telling, why? is because you agreed with me?.. your nick says it all "Maximun lee sin" hahaha.

i main lee but when kids like you claim he needs change but u have no idea what you are talking about results in me coming here and telling you why you need to shut you're mouth.

Vargol1 votes

you think lee is ok like he is now?... you think is ok because you MAIN lee? i enumerate all the things lee is capable to do... take another champ and do the same as i do... If you find someone like lee in terms of "He have every mechanic in 1 character" then is another broken champ... you understand that he CANT have everything?... you say that i have no idea what im talking, but im waiting someone tells me "no, your checklist is wrong, you are lying" am i? is some point that is wrong?.. tell me, if you are so expert and im just a kid that i need to shut my mouth... i dont understand why you angry... im not angry.. if i post here is for share thoughs and see what others see of the same champ

BlackRaven2 votes

you think lee is ok like he is now?... you think is ok because you MAIN lee? i enumerate all the things lee is capable to do... take another champ and do the same as i do... If you find someone like lee in terms of "He have every mechanic in 1 character" then is another broken champ... you understand that he CANT have everything?... you say that i have no idea what im talking, but im waiting someone tells me "no, your checklist is wrong, you are lying" am i? is some point that is wrong?.. tell me, if you are so expert and im just a kid that i need to shut my mouth... i dont understand why you angry... im not angry.. if i post here is for share thoughs and see what others see of the same champ

he used to have more but you see, riot did indeed balance him. he had a shield when he went on minions, he had an att speed slow on hsi e THAT I LOVED USING IN TOP LANE. but they removed it, im fine with that. but for you to come and attack his entire kit is just disgusting on your part. stop trying to convince us with "hes overfilld". explain whats op about him then we can talk in specific terms.

Vargol1 votes

I dont attack his entire kit... i say he has everything... you agree with the list? of course you agree because is true. and a champ CANT have EVERYTHING.

And if you read the post i made an example that doesnt involve remove all the things he have... but limit decisions, limit actions.. think more instead of knowing that you can jump and come back because you have a ward or something close to return...because if you give a champ EVERYTHING or almost everything, you must think what other things you need to do to bring down a champ to the other champs levels... he doesnt have weakness... and the weakness you say are external and team based weakness.. not champ related...

Pinker 103 votes

He has a little bit of everything. good for him. everything he does someone else does better. If you want mediocre cc and mobility with a poke that's very easy to take advantage of, pick lee. If you want cc, pick someone else. If you want poke, pick someone else. If you want 2 smites, pick nunu. If you want tankiness, pick a tank. If you want As, range, poke, slow, wall jumping, a knockback, and better carry ability, pick tristana.

He's jack of all master of none, and that by itself is literally defined as balance.

BlackRaven2 votes

He has a little bit of everything. good for him. everything he does someone else does better. If you want mediocre cc and mobility with a poke that's very easy to take advantage of, pick lee. If you want cc, pick someone else. If you want poke, pick someone else. If you want 2 smites, pick nunu. If you want tankiness, pick a tank. If you want As, range, poke, slow, wall jumping, a knockback, and better carry ability, pick tristana.

He's jack of all master of none, and that by itself is literally defined as balance.

what a god.. im copying that reply and saving it just incase a copy of this op comes.

Vargol1 votes

Obviously the meaning of word "Mediocre" is not the same for me than for you... Mediocre???? ha!.. balance is defined in comparison with others... excesive mobility like jumping back and forward is not mediocre plus dps tankiness, plus no mana... i dont see nothing mediocre in that... ok, i want dmg, i choose an adc pure dmg... the mediocre lee sin can destroy an adc, and why? because the adc is not tank, and im ok with that, you CANT have everything... you do a lot of dmg but you are weak... i have a big list with mediocre champs and lee sin is not on that list

Urieldhynne1 votes

I saw your history and you are diamond with 291 games with lee sin in the top of 51 games with Riven (another pretty op champion). That tell me something: If you want to climb up in ranked play broken champions, I don't see you playing low/bottom tier champions.

BlackRaven1 votes

I saw your history and you are diamond with 291 games with lee sin in the top of 51 games with Riven (another pretty op champion). That tell me something: If you want to climb up in ranked play broken champions, I don't see you playing low/bottom tier champions.

riven is actually pretty balanced atm, yes she has some strong abilites but htey made her hp regen really bad which made up for it. also, i main lee and riven because i actually know how to play and enjoy them... even in normals i play them.not because they are broken which they arent, but because i enjoy playing with them.

Urieldhynne1 votes

You enjoy it because they has no limitations and a lot of shits. Riven has no resourse (mana, energy, etc) a lot of dash and cc and low CD. Has a shield with a dash, is pretty evasive, like lee sin. I recomend you to try a low tier champion and tell me how good and fun they are. When you play with some champions with no mobility, high CD, high resource comsumition and not tanky you will see how broken tankys dps like lee sin and riven are.

BlackRaven1 votes

You enjoy it because they has no limitations and a lot of shits. Riven has no resourse (mana, energy, etc) a lot of dash and cc and low CD. Has a shield with a dash, is pretty evasive, like lee sin. I recomend you to try a low tier champion and tell me how good and fun they are. When you play with some champions with no mobility, high CD, high resource comsumition and not tanky you will see how broken tankys dps like lee sin and riven are.

why would u ply someone thats low tier? dont blame me for liking lee and riven when your dumass doesnt know which champs are fotm and which are not. dont play poppy jungle then blame me for destroying u as kha..

BlackRaven2 votes

OMFG ORIANNA IS BROKEN AS SHIT!

Shield- Yes Slow- Yes Displacement-yes mana problems?- ATHENES BITCH MOvement speed bonus? - YES HARASSMENT WITH PASSIVE?- YES CAN BE PLAYED BY ANY ONE WITH EYES?- YES PRESS E ON THE TANK AND PRESS R WHEN HE GOES IN?- AP CHAMPS REQUIRE SKILL BITCHHHHH

Vargol1 votes

haha... youre funny... no one compares to lee sin... orianna depends on her ball, move times and trigger times... She is too weak and easy to kill, shes not a tank... the most important part of this game... dps tank...

BlackRaven1 votes

haha... youre funny... no one compares to lee sin... orianna depends on her ball, move times and trigger times... She is too weak and easy to kill, shes not a tank... the most important part of this game... dps tank...

trigger times? easy to kill? she can sit behind a lane and assist her jungler without moving an inch, what trigger time? the second the jungler gets near the target, press r. lee needs to go in, ori is safe. dont tell me that easy to kill bullshit.

Vargol1 votes

you compare a Tank dps with dash, spellvamp, lifesteal, shield, no mana, cc... with... orianna?...

ok... you are mad... and im not, so i will not say anything else to "MAXIMUN LEE SIN".

Urieldhynne1 votes

She is not tanky, no mobility, is like zero mobility vs the most evasive champion in the game. Try again lee sin fanboy.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

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But I do think something could be done about Lee.

Grand Eleven1 votes

Oh wait til you see infinite dash Kalista ...

Narasimha1 votes

Her dash is actually fine, its super easy to predict and punish her for it.

Urieldhynne1 votes

How to fix lee sin:

  • Remove the ward jumping: Low risk, high reward jungle invader, and Lee has already a lot of mobility to be a tanky dps.
  • Share the CD of Q and W: is TOO MUCH mobility in no time, that shit of "hit and go out" should end. And that makes him low risk high reward character.
  • Make him more item dependant: Lee sin has the higesth damage in his combo among tanky dps, especially in early.

The argument of "is hard to master" do not work when you can master him eventually.

Lee sin is a GREAT champion design for a PVE or Single player game. But for VS, PVP or competitive game he has too much compared overall.

Lishe1 votes

Tbh all that needs to be done about Lee is to nerf the energy regen on his passive, either that or increase his overall energy costs. It feels like lee always has the energy he needs to use all of his skills on cd and involves 0 decision making as long as you land like one auto every now and then.

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