Did everyone forget about Lissandra passive reworks?

Murlo·May 4, 2017·54 votes·3,289 views

Did Lissandra's passive just become forgotten? She got some negligible buffs that did basically nothing to her playrate and winrate, and now other champions like Heimer and Rammus are getting full on gameplay reworks before her. When is she gonna get an actual passive that fits thematically and doesn't stop being useful after the 10th minute mark? People who play the champ have been waiting for a long time for it so i don't get why put other champs who have been performing relatively better before her

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PisykanMay 4, 201728 votes

if you follow the PBE you will know that the devs said/stated that it felt like a band-aid and the passive changes that shipped are to aid her along while they completley re-design a new passive as they didnt want her to be a band-aided champion.

ModKnightsKemplarMay 4, 20173 votes

Commenting to make sure this comment stays on top. This is 100% correct.

Velzard of KozMay 4, 20176 votes

This sounds like the passive felt like band-aid and they didn't want her to be band-aided so they gave her small changes to band-aid her while they are figuring out another passive that wouldn't be a band-aid?

What exactly is difference between her being band-aided by the passive and being band-aided in the meantime by the "changes that shipped"?

Glory ln DeathMay 4, 20179 votes

The scrapped ideas would have significantly affected her gameplay, but wouldn't have pushed her in the direction Riot wants. So, instead, they gave her different changes that don't change how she plays so that players don't have to relearn her twice.

Sleepy SonaMay 4, 20174 votes

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NakedGrannyMay 4, 20171 votes

That's because for a long time Heimer was a guaranteed, un-counterable win if you picked him. So they had to nerf him so people wouldn't play him because he was as toxic as pre-stealth-rework Eve and Twitch.

Sexy Jack RabbitMay 5, 20171 votes

The stealth rework didn't effect Evelynn whatsoever. Her form of stealth 'camouflage' was just given to Twitch and Rengar and some wording was changed.

CatastropMay 4, 20174 votes

We didn't forget, we just gave up on life.

Jerry SeinfeIdMay 4, 20173 votes

the fuck is a lissandra?

NakedGrannyMay 4, 20171 votes

A second generation virtually-melee ranged... well she isn't exactly a mage, no. And she's not a tank. And she isn't really mobile at all since her motion is... glacial. Compared to all the instant flashes and dashes swamping the game right now.

She can kind of push I guess if her opponent is worthless enough that she can run into melee range to Q. Her W root duration is insignificant. Her E is just a flashing sign screaming "kill me, I'm about to arrive at a location not so very far from you and I'm a squishy 'mage'!" Her ult is only tolerable since it requires no skill shot, and with all the damage creep in the game, being able to shut up a hypercarry or Darius for a second or two is worth it.

Liss is trash. There's no reason to take her over a real mage-carry like Cass. At least Cass has longer range and stops flashes/dashes in a large area for a long time.

My HeartshakerMay 4, 20172 votes

To be honest, I disagree with you entirely.

She isn't entirely trash, she's just a bit outdated with the current meta midlaners thats all. Her roams, teamfight presence, engage and initiation are still one of the best out there.

It's just that when you have someone like Orianna who can do all of that without being anywhere near the actual fight, she does fall kind of flat.

Kelly KMay 4, 20172 votes

And why does she need a rework more than heim and rammus again? because shes still seen in lcs and is played often enough while heim is considered a troll pick and rammus cant keep up with the ad armor pen.

Sexy Jack RabbitMay 5, 20172 votes

The biggest issue with Lissandra that everyone seems to forget is that besides Mana, there is nothing in her kit that effectively gates her.

You could argue her range, but due to the nature of her kit and the fact she has an in-built gapcloser, it's very easy to mitigate that.

I'm not saying she doesn't need a new passive, I just think people forget that the balance team may want to avoid making her an absolute monster come the opportunity.

legionnaire99May 4, 20171 votes

She most likely to get a rework soonish

IA9hRfpP5qMay 4, 20171 votes

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She most likely to get a rework soonish

Riven

Very Hard EngageMay 4, 20171 votes

its just not enough, or very good to begin with. its not something you build around or capitalize on, its just there, whatever.

Valhalla RisingMay 4, 20171 votes

They replaced Veigar 's mana gen passive with this awesome epicness:

Phenomenal Evil Power (Innate) New Innate: Veigar gains a stack of Phenomenal Evil whenever he hits an enemy champion with an ability, and 3 stacks whenever he scores a champion takedown. Veigar gains 1 Ability Power for every stack of Phenomenal Evil.

Would be cool if they just gave liss some kind of reward for passive empowered spellcasts against enemy champions, like bonus mana, movespeed, or some other off stat.

DemainaNyxMay 4, 20172 votes

Maybe something like if you use your empowered ability and hits a champ, you get additional health or maybe like a nasus Q so it makes an ability slightly stronger. Like, maybe for every person you hit, you heal more if you ult yourself. I don't play Liss so I don't know what would really buff her so this may be completely wrong.

Hunted9000May 4, 20171 votes

Lissandra is such a horrible champion to play right now. I feel like her passive actually helps her in lane but other than that playing her just feels awful. After trying her I had to give all lissandra mains an applause because I do not understand how people have fun playing her and I will never understand how people get kills on her without dying themselves.

VenomarMay 4, 20172 votes

I know right? I got her in ARAM and I'm like, "so a burst mage diver that has mediocre burst.... Fun?"

AnidanMay 4, 20171 votes

I think that's because burst isn't her primary focus. Look at the tools in her kit and tell me with a straight face you'd be fine giving her good burst. She has CC on 3/4 abilities (only one with no innate CC is her glacial path), and that lets her do a lot of stuff when she's strong. Unfortunately, she just happens to not be strong right now.

The stealth bomber mage is one of my favorites, but she's not in a good spot and that passive is partly to blame.

EightprismMay 4, 20171 votes

For those of us with heimer as our fav champ, don't you talk to us about waiting a long time. Oh hell no.

AnidanMay 4, 20171 votes

It took until, what, season 4 to come for a rework Riot mentioned sometime in Season 1?

yoshi2790May 4, 20171 votes

Syndra Is like the exacty the same; her passive is only useful after ~10minutes. ~~Except for the fact that she's viable ^___^~~ I like the passive idea, and it fits her but stil...

GigaPubeMay 4, 20171 votes

People who play the champ have been waiting for a long time

everyone waits for a lot of different things, you dont know what a long time is, you've played for 1 fucking season. ive waited more than half that time just for item sets and hexakill....

other champs (rammus, heimerdinger) who have been performing relatively better before her

no they havent, WHO ARE YOU ACTUALLY TRYING TO KID? YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE LMAO

NakedGrannyMay 4, 20171 votes

Some of us are still waiting on Morgana to be remade in the image of this brave new hyper-mobile, damage-creeped meta so she can be less useless.

zaire90May 5, 20171 votes

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Some of us are still waiting on Morgana to be remade in the image of this brave new hyper-mobile, damage-creeped meta so she can be less useless.

I hope they just make her prettier because what you described scares me and she isnt useless at all.

The Bardic GayMay 4, 20171 votes

I'm glad it didn't go through. That passive was absurdly tacked on.

Personally, I would like to see a passive that gives her more utility. I remember when she was released riot advertised her as a close ranged utility mage with mobility, but shes only ever seen really good play when she was able to burst people to death while they were stunned. Perhaps something like her spellcasts cause enemies around her to be slowed breifly (like. 25 seconds) but intensely like trundles Q.

ƒrostγMay 5, 20171 votes

As a Lissandra main with almost 500k mastery points on her, I can confirm this. Her passive is only useful until you get a second doran's ring, a blue buff, a catalyst OR a lost chapter. If you run out of mana after that it means you are terrible with Lissandra and should improve your mana management. I think her latest buff was aimed towards low elo players because they tend to spam spells without thinking too much.

Anyways, I can understand why it is hard to give her a new passive. She already has a lot of utility in her kit, and with items her damage is actually quite high. Trust me, there are few things worse when you're playing adc and a Lissandra flashes on you, unleashing her full combo. You'll either end up dead or in the worst case you can't move for 3 seconds and Lissandra's team can finish the job. Messing with her ratios ( or adding a new damage source with a new passive ) would make her oppressing, way more so than LB with sigil of silence ever was.

Riot has to take a different direction if they want to give her a new passive. That mana stacking buff they tested is actually not bad, it would help her to scale into the lategame without making her early and mid game too overpowered. ( except for the on-hit effect thingy, which I think doesn't fit into LIssandra's kit ).

Rıots Bad ClientMay 5, 20171 votes

What about a passive where lissandra has a the ability to stack on slows on top of other slows. (for an example; Soraka Q slows for 30%, and her Q slows for 15%, So both together would be 45%.

Another Passive thought remove every CC she has on her Q-W and E (and the slow on her R) and All her abilities share a slow when casted. So something like 15% that increase with rank. AND if she lands 2 abilities they become grounded for 1.25 seconds and 3 abilities she roots them for 1.25

Food for thought.