Rakan

DuckyLunar·Apr 17, 2019·15 votes·10,604 views

Is rakan actually getting nerfed and not being able to use his W or E when he ults?

33 Comments

Pixie StormApr 17, 20198 votes

if so, i dont want these changes,

BoltonatorApr 17, 20191 votes

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if so, i dont want these changes,

I don’t either but supports have never really garnered favor in the eyes of Riot. I don’t expect Rakan to be the only support hit before 9.9 goes live, unfortunetly.

RagnaveilApr 17, 20195 votes

Okay, but what was the primary reason why he got nerfed so hard? Oh thats right, the E into R W combo because without qss or black shield, you couldn't avoid it. This nerf opens up the avenue for him to get buffed vs keeping that mechanic and having him be hard to balance.

AirKingNeoApr 17, 20193 votes

oh you want Rakan to have a 0 counterplay RW combo that makes him completely broken?

MordepoolApr 18, 20192 votes

You don't want to afford your opponents the slim chance of counter play.

How Very selfish of you.

AbiwonKenabiApr 17, 20197 votes

They're making him less skillful and less fun even. For really only balancing for pro, because I don't think Rakan is that good in regular play right now, is he?

Pixie StormApr 17, 20191 votes

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They're making him less skillful and less fun even. For really only balancing for pro, because I don't think Rakan is that good in regular play right now, is he?

I don't play him as often as I've wanted to but I have 67% wr with him choosing him only when we need some tank or cc he feels weak since they dropped some MR on him a few patches ago. Also the changes with Locket really didnt help item 3190

MoonscourgeApr 17, 20195 votes

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They're making him less skillful and less fun even. For really only balancing for pro, because I don't think Rakan is that good in regular play right now, is he?

Less skillful? What? As in.. he uses less skills, maybe? His combo is literally impossible to react to. He is too good. It has to go. You can reliably flash Malphite ults, not Rakan R W.

AbiwonKenabiApr 17, 20193 votes

No, like, part of mastering Rakan is mastering his all in. Now there's nothing to do once he's all in, he literally just runs around and prays he doesn't get kited.

And I thought the point of the W speed nerf was so people COULD flash out of Rakan's engage. Its slow as hell, and now his charm combo is getting messed up? Its too much.

FOR JUSTICEApr 17, 20195 votes

They are but in compensation he gains double movespeed when casting it and a refreshing Ms buff everytime he touches an enemy and buffed charm duration to 2 seconds.

This is before boots or celerity

letsfeedtogetherApr 17, 20194 votes

yes but its just testing

SugarliciousApr 17, 20193 votes

I saw that as well, it's so idiotic. I mean, the whole point of his R is to use it BEFORE W precisely so you can land it and get out of the battle with E if necessary. This does not only change the whole mechanic by forcing you to use W first and risk being silenced/stunned but also makes you more likely to die by not allowing you to get out with E. Although, if that speed nerf managed to pass the PBE stage, I wouldn't be surprised if this idiotic nerf got to live as well... On the bright side, if they gut him now, I'll feel less bad about not buying the new skin, since I won't be playing him.

notMineskiexoApr 17, 20192 votes

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I saw that as well, it's so idiotic. I mean, the whole point of his R is to use it BEFORE W precisely so you can land it and get out of the battle with E if necessary. This does not only change the whole mechanic by forcing you to use W first and risk being silenced/stunned but also makes you more likely to die by not allowing you to get out with E. Although, if that speed nerf managed to pass the PBE stage, I wouldn't be surprised if this idiotic nerf got to live as well... On the bright side, if they gut him now, I'll feel less bad about not buying the new skin, since I won't be playing him.

The point of the nerf is that Rakan’s R W combo is a low risk high reward combo that is easy to do. It makes Rakan impossible to balance because you can nerf everything else in his kit, but the combo will always make him viable.

Think about how Akali was a balance nightmare due to her W.

SugarliciousApr 18, 20191 votes

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The point of the nerf is that Rakan’s R W combo is a low risk high reward combo that is easy to do. It makes Rakan impossible to balance because you can nerf everything else in his kit, but the combo will always make him viable.

Think about how was a balance nightmare due to her W.

Everything about Rakan is high risk because he's so squishy. He's not a tank, and he has to go in the middle of the battle to do anything, so if he can't get out fast, it's not a risk situation, it's certain death.

notMineskiexoApr 18, 20191 votes

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Everything about Rakan is high risk because he's so squishy. He's not a tank, and he has to go in the middle of the battle to do anything, so if he can't get out fast, it's not a risk situation, it's certain death.

Which is why they’re also buffing his durability and dash speed for W.

And if you’re telling me that a .5 second ability lock means that rakan cant escape from his engage then that’s a yikes from me.

AbiwonKenabiApr 17, 20191 votes

I wouldn't mind if they nerfed his RW combo a little, force him to use W first maybe, but now he just goes in and dies. There's nothing to do, why prevent E from being used? They should just lock him out of W for a short time when he activates R, then boom, annoying combo gone without trashing his kit.

SugarliciousApr 18, 20192 votes

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I wouldn't mind if they nerfed his RW combo a little, force him to use W first maybe, but now he just goes in and dies. There's nothing to do, why prevent E from being used? They should just lock him out of W for a short time when he activates R, then boom, annoying combo gone without trashing his kit.

I could live with this. It would give the enemy a chance to react but it would still keep Rakan's "get out" card if things go wrong. But of course, far be it from Riot to think about everything. Like everybody says, this complete nerf would just kill Rakan the second he uses his R, any ranged champ that doesn't get charmed would nuke him in seconds, and there's no way for him to escape it.

Nameless DrifterApr 17, 20193 votes

No Rakan main wants these changes, and Im positive these changes will not pass. If they do this Riot Balance Team is probably the most incompetent one I have ever seen. Rakan R > W engage is part of his identity. If we remove it, then we also must remove Alistar E > Q and Braum E > R because they are exactly the same. Rakan all in is easy to avoid and to punish, this is factual. He is in a okay state at the moment and needs no nerfs or buffs.

JuiceBoxPApr 17, 20192 votes

His ult is getting a huge buff. to compensate, they make him unable to use his w.

OHminusApr 17, 20192 votes

And his E.

This is a huge nerf - its a 3 second silence on yourself in exchange for a bit of MS and a charm on contact. You literally cannot escape if you engage with your ult now.

JuiceBoxPApr 17, 20191 votes

They're making him less safe... he gets more CC, seems like a fitting exchange

SaezioApr 17, 20192 votes

Can we make riven unable to W and E while she is inbetween Qs too? Please?

NaalithApr 17, 20191 votes

As a Rakan lover, the champ is buttcheeks right now. Maybe if they do this, they can increase his W speed again and allow him to feel like a real champion.

AngelNipataApr 17, 20191 votes

I feel like these changes are really gonna hurt Rakan and he's going to need a lot of compensation buffs, but I think they may be necessary for him going forward. Like part of the reason Rakan is so weak right now is because Riot has to keep him down due to the RW combo is reliable, powerful, and relatively safe. From the perspective of a person who doesn't play Rakan, it's kind of like how Riot neutered Azir for a myriad of reasons, one of which was the Shurima Shuffle which was a relatively hard combo to pull off, but the pay off could be pretty insane. When you have a combo with that much impact and then a decently useful kit on top of that, it makes the champion ridiculous to play against. I'm not gonna say the changes are good Rakan currently, because he does struggle at the moment, but there is is valid reason to do so as long as there are worthy compensation buffs that follow.

Jinx Feminista Apr 17, 20191 votes

that is just stupid... now the Champion wont have a good combo at all

DontLewdOriannaApr 17, 20191 votes

I god damn hope so, that looks like a amazing change

GodlyBaneApr 17, 20191 votes

Skarner

ﬂooApr 17, 20191 votes

If you aren't able to do jackshit when you R, at least revert either the W slow or the ult hitbox. It's horrible to actually hit someone without W.

lil kodaApr 18, 20191 votes

the changed have been altered, now he cant use w and e during the cast time, 0.5 seconds.

Nea104Apr 18, 20191 votes

Expect anything by this company. Told you months ago :P

Daddy AntsApr 18, 20191 votes

They're trying to add counterplay to his R W Flash shenanigans.

While counterplay is definitely needed, No champion in the game deserves a gutting.

How I'd do this is -

Rakan:

Grand Entrance (W) Grand Entrance can not be used within 0.5 seconds of activation of The Quickness (R)

The Quickness (R) The Quickness can not be used within 0.5 seconds of using Flash or Grand Entrance.

Not allowing him to use his E is bullshit and shouldn't go live.