Why is there no AP equivalent of these Blackout items?

Jung Chaeyon·Jan 5, 2020·3 votes·1,854 views

Like Umbral Glaive and old Duskblade? Why give only AD Assassins and Fighters the edge on this? Is it so bad to have AP Assassins and Mages get something like this?

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Crescent DuskJan 5, 20203 votes

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Like Umbral Glaive and old Duskblade? Why give only AD Assassins and Fighters the edge on this? Is it so bad to have AP Assassins and Mages get something like this?

Or equivalent to Youmuu's ghostblade, meaning every single AD assassin will outrun an AP assassin.

My blue Kayn with mobis and youmuus makes my Evelynn look like an Ornn.

Umbral Glaive is also insanely gold efficient, which is why people are building it instead of duskblade.

Umbral Glaive+Youmuus= free roams.

FSRERJan 5, 20202 votes

Let me answer your question with another question. Why should assassins, the class which is all about dashing over walls, invisibility and burst damage, allowed to have a ward destroying item which also gives them ad, lethality and cdr?

2gudaiyaJan 5, 20201 votes

because if you are ap or a tank you can get item 3190 item 3174 item 3107 item 3504 some of those. if you're playing a mage in support then fuck you you already get to have nice things.

Waka FIockaJan 5, 20201 votes

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because if you are ap or a tank you can get some of those. if you're playing a mage in support then fuck you you already get to have nice things.

none of those have anything to do with vision or warding. are you high? assassins and ad champs with 1v1 potential + dashes do not need to clear wards in one hit. plus ontop of blackout every 40s they also get permanent ward damage increase and still have sweeper if they want so they can fully utilize that trinket as well.

enchanters have to sit still for so long clearing wards, not getting the full potential of their sweeper because they have to hit a ward 3 times. they do not have dashes or 1v1 potential....

2gudaiyaJan 5, 20201 votes

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none of those have anything to do with vision or warding. are you high? assassins and ad champs with 1v1 potential + dashes do not need to clear wards in one hit. plus ontop of blackout every 40s they also get permanent ward damage increase and still have sweeper if they want so they can fully utilize that trinket as well.

enchanters have to sit still for so long clearing wards, not getting the full potential of their sweeper because they have to hit a ward 3 times. they do not have dashes or 1v1 potential....

they grant unique utility that Pyke and senna aren't going to be getting. maybe senna but people love to pretend she's difficult to play against or something and if she builds one of those then her dmg isn't gonna be the issue like when she goes deep into lethality.

you have options, stop pretending you don't, learn how to use them and you'll see that they outclass the glaive with their own unique utility. something is new so rather than figure it out you cry for nerfs, move past that stupid mentality.

Waka FIockaJan 5, 20202 votes

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they grant unique utility that Pyke and senna aren't going to be getting. maybe senna but people love to pretend she's difficult to play against or something and if she builds one of those then her dmg isn't gonna be the issue like when she goes deep into lethality.

you have options, stop pretending you don't, learn how to use them and you'll see that they outclass the glaive with their own unique utility. something is new so rather than figure it out you cry for nerfs, move past that stupid mentality.

ardent and athenes on senna as a support is not a bad buy. at all. i do it all the time and win games with it..... sorry but your reasoning just doesnt justify assassins dominating all vision control, one of the most important aspects of this game. actually you only come off as biased and spiteful.

edit: also you know what? those champs that get umbral can handle themselves unlike enchanters who are vulnerable and dependent on others to look after them. ad supports contribute in ways enchanters can't all the same with their damage items and armor shredding lethality gear + kill pressure. Pyke has an elder dragon ultimate that lasts for a while and is ranged while also giving his team gold. Senna has heals, shields, global ult, and damage. so please. go cry about mages on rant boards.

2gudaiyaJan 5, 20201 votes

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Waka FIockaJan 5, 20201 votes

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well done on winning games, that doesn't detract from it not being a problem. the enchanters are just fine, lemme look up janna real quick and see what she's doing at plat+ oooo look at that she's still best support in the game. what a shock. see for yourself. https://m.u.gg/lol/tier-list?role=support

I am not talking about winrates on enchanters or assassin/ad supports.... what does that have to do with umbral glaive being an unfair, biased item? and sure janna is a pain to deal with. so is senna. and pyke. and soraka. never said enchanters were useless. I said they are vulnerable and should have been given a blackout item as well seeing as they aren't the mobile, dashy champs that can roam easily. Janna is probably one of the only exceptions because she is really fast. idk, anyway. you're mad, i'm just chillin. you say ardent and athenes are bad for senna, i say they aren't, you invalidate it by saying something about janna ok