bot lane is ruining the game (and an idea for how to fix it)

GrandOctopus·9/16/2019, 6:59:00 AM·4 votes·1,970 views

A S T A G G E R I N G percent of my games, particularly the last five or so for me, my bot lane has horribly fed. Even if I tell them "Try to go even, I'm gonna smash Shen with Darius, we'll carry through top" at the very start of the game. There feels like there's nothing I can do.

The other thing that I've kinda noticed is that bot lane is too snowbally. The first kill usually means the end of the lane. So I've had an idea on fixing it.

We buff the base armor on adcs so they're less punished by an early bad death, and to compensate we buff lethality items. The lethality item buff is so that it is harder for a slightly ahead enemy adc to kill them, but it is still just as easy if they get caught out by a Talon. I suppose we could nerf qiyana/talon's base stats if it's really that big of an issue (so they don't hard stomp every mage), but I suspect that wouldn't be an enormous issue.

I'm probably a wrong idiot and maybe this won't work, but bot lane is way the fuck too impactful on the outcome of the game and I really think something should be done. I would love to hear everyone's ideas on how to stop bot lane from spiraling games so ridiculously out of control.

13 Comments

Saezio9/16/2019, 7:27:17 AM4 votes

Can we please not buff any more shit in this game? Every thing is too fucking overstated already. We don't need more stats. Especially not lethality buffs.

Maybe simply make towers not be made of paper and deal some actual damage? So people can hug tower and turtle efficiently?

Oh sorry, I forgot, that makes for "boring spectating experience". Because 10 year olds can't spectate something as boring as macro.

DuskDaUmbreon9/16/2019, 7:05:08 AM3 votes

Even if I tell them "Try to go even, I'm gonna smash Shen with Darius, we'll carry through top" at the very start of the game. There feels like there's nothing I can do.

Ah, yes, because "Don't feed" is always advice that it's possible to absolutely follow. There's absolutely no way that anyone could fail to be able to follow that.

If you say "Passive lane" to your opponent they cannot legally be aggressive in lane, per AZ statute 306.8

NaughtyWord9/16/2019, 11:38:17 AM1 votes

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A S T A G G E R I N G percent of my games, particularly the last five or so for me, my bot lane has horribly fed. Even if I tell them "Try to go even, I'm gonna smash Shen with Darius, we'll carry through top" at the very start of the game. There feels like there's nothing I can do.

The other thing that I've kinda noticed is that bot lane is too snowbally. The first kill usually means the end of the lane. So I've had an idea on fixing it.

We buff the base armor on adcs so they're less punished by an early bad death, and to compensate we buff lethality items. The lethality item buff is so that it is harder for a slightly ahead enemy adc to kill them, but it is still just as easy if they get caught out by a Talon. I suppose we could nerf qiyana/talon's base stats if it's really that big of an issue (so they don't hard stomp every mage), but I suspect that wouldn't be an enormous issue.

I'm probably a wrong idiot and maybe this won't work, but bot lane is way the fuck too impactful on the outcome of the game and I really think something should be done. I would love to hear everyone's ideas on how to stop bot lane from spiraling games so ridiculously out of control.

The problems in bot lane are directly related to the hyper-gank meta. Jungle is broke and it spills into bot lane, more than any other lane really.

It has to do with hyper-gank, turret plates, gold imbalances between camps, etc.

There's zero reason why a jungler shouldn't camp the shit out of bot ESPECIALLY if his bot lane is red side.

PhearBunny9/16/2019, 1:40:45 PM1 votes

Change the map to 6v6. 2 players in the top lane would hold equal weight to bot lane. Mid would get more weight since now there are two lanes to roam to(that have impact) Jungle would get more weight since ganking top wouldnt be useless.

XelosDaDuck9/17/2019, 2:04:01 AM1 votes

The problem with bot lane is in fact the hyper gank meta. Why would the jg sit anywhere else when he can get two kills for the price of one. usually when the adc falls the support will fall and vice versa. I've had many games where bot lane just became a 2v3 or a 3v3 just because Kayn MasterYi Tryndamere MonkeyKing ganks at 2-3 min gets a kill or 2 then proceeds to just move in to the lane.