Why do people allow Riot to have such horribly predatory game design?

Alistar Bullcow··4 votes·711 views

Hots has more balanced gameplay, less ragey children, and focuses on team play rather than the least common denominator.

It doesn't have feeders or afkers in 90% of matches.

It's fun, has flavorful and wonderful abilities and playstyles.

But most importantly, it doesnt gimp new players for no reason.

What the hell is with runes/masteries? You gimp newer players... why? What's the point? Why do runes cost so much, and why can't I get good ones until level 20? Why do champions cost so much damn IP?

In HotS, I can own every hero just by completing daily quests. And I only have to complete them once every three days. And guess what? I am much more likely to spend money on that game, then give Riot money because they are choking and squeezing my ability to play the game?

Don't get me wrong, league is a good game and I love to play it. But how has there not been a revolt against their shitty, money grubbing, terrible design OUT of game? It's appalling, and the main reason you have leavers, afkers, and ragers is due to the harsh punishments and leveling up design.

In HotS, if you rage uncontrollably, they just silence you and ban you from ranked. You can still play, cool off, and relax. In League, they straight ban the account, banking on the chance that they will make money off your new one. I say this as someone who hasn't been permabanned or spent money on the game.

I don't understand how anyone supports this game financially. I urge you all to stop giving Riot your money until they fix the real issues with the game. The predatory tactics. Thank you for your time.

18 Comments

archerno18 votes

Yes and HOTS has such low playerbase , Blizzard had to offer free mount on World of Warcraft for those who go and play some matches in HOTS. HOTS is easy to moderate cause its so small. And is generally considered a bad game

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Not to mention Oni Genji and Officer D.Va

Alistar Bullcow1 votes

It takes me roughly 30 seconds to get into a HotS game at any time, ranked or otherwise. The games last roughly 20 minutes on average. There is zero downtime.

For league? 3-4 minute queues on average. 30-45 minute games. Huge downtime.

It takes a month of playing LoL to save up enough to get a low tier champion. In Hots? 5 days of 3 quests. That's it. And HoTs is a great game, the only thing wrong with it are certain maps. No real MoBA player things it's a bad game, it's just a different take. You want a bad MoBA? Try SMITE.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

How does it take you a month of playing LoL to get a cheap champion? You should be able to easily get 200-400 IP a day playing 2-3 games.

Alistar Bullcow1 votes

I have to sink 15k into runes before I can even think about buying champs.

Then 3 games a day is a 3 hour investment. I can play maybe 2 a day, if that's my only gaming. So that's 250 IP a day.

In order for me to have a full roster, I'd have to play every day for roughly 450 days to be able to afford all champions.

HotS? 100 days. All heroes, a bunch of skins and cosmetics, and a better community.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

15k for runes? what?

You can get some basic important runes for about 4k, or just use tier 2 runes, which are nearly free. Not to mention they are being removed from the game in a couple months.

3 games a day is about 90-120 minutes. I have seen precisely three one-hour or longer games in four years playing this game, and very few over 50 minutes..

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

You forgot to add Kappa at the end.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

how are you financially supporting this game when all you did in your post rank how much IP things cost...

you get IP for playing the game... a free in game currency that allows you to unlock champs /runes

riot also rewards you for good behavior. end of seasons rewards. hextech etc

they have soo many different way to get shit for free

so you complete quest to get champs in HOTS ok? you completely games win /loss good or bad in league and get IP for doing so to get champs/runes

riot legit rewards you to play the game...

and as far as the rune system goes.... they are doing away with the way it is currently or did you miss that big ass announcement ?

and riot tried to use the leveling system as a way to baby step people into the game with things. did it work greatly *shruggs * who knows? most would say no...

and as far as banning accounts if you are an ASS and violate TOS /SUMMONERS CODE after warning after warning and minor punishments then YOU NEED TO BE BANNED

IcyPepper2 votes

and ragers is due to the harsh punishments

You call Riot's system "harsh punishments?"

KoKoboto1 votes

With the new rune system everyone will have access to runes and as you level you get access to more variations.

They're scrapping masteries and current runes entirely. I just hope it doesn't dumb down the game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

oh sadly the dumbing down the game has been going on for a while... they handicapped alot of things due to people crying unbalanced, unfair , etc

l Dárius l1 votes

great. got play hots

no matter how bad it is i will play league because unlike hots, runes, masteries, and itemization can make everygame different unlike than that thing blizzard made

Alistar Bullcow1 votes

What? League has been stale for a while... That's hilarious. Runes and masteries are always the same. This is a silly argument.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alistar Bullcow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqrMoIyn,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-07-15T20:36:45.836+0000)

What? League has been stale for a while... That's hilarious. Runes and masteries are always the same. This is a silly argument.

Mastery system got changed in start of s6. Rune system is getting changed as soon as this season is over. League is one of the MOBAs who never gets stale, which always changes. One of biggest reasons it just keeps growing constantly. Low tier champion is 450 IP, you can earn that in 2 days playing just 1 game a day against bots or in just 3-4 games. You can get most expensive champion in a week or two of playing 5-6 games a day.

All MOBAS combined couldnt even come close to League.

Alistar Bullcow1 votes

Nah, League is trash. The only reason I play this game is because it's fun being able to solo carry.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alistar Bullcow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqrMoIyn,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-15T21:07:46.665+0000)

Nah, League is trash. The only reason I play this game is because it's fun being able to solo carry.

Well everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Hell, there are even people that liked Warlords of Draenor

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l Dárius l3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alistar Bullcow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqrMoIyn,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-07-15T20:36:45.836+0000)

What? League has been stale for a while... That's hilarious. Runes and masteries are always the same. This is a silly argument.

there are millions of items, masteries, and runes combinations for every single champion in the game

league has 137 champions, hots has 67 heroes.

the only possible playstyle customization in hots is talents, which in know way compares to all that league has to offer.

if you cant see that league has STATISTICALLY more content and diversity, you are either trying to hard to troll or just that fucking retarded.

i would hate to be you.

Tormentula1 votes

TL;DR:

[{quoted}](name=Alistar Bullcow,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqrMoIyn,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-07-15T20:06:16.300+0000)

In HotS

League is no where near that desperate blizzard game.. one so desperate they had to promote HotS by making customizables in other games only available by playing it, and added those customizables in the game anyway because so few actually tried for them.

Also blizzard in general isn't a good company to "compare" to other companies since they've fucked up really really fucking hard more times then a lot of them. I'm trying hard not to critically speak my option on their games but honestly blizzard could cater to their playerbase way better in all of them.

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