Why hasn't Zoe's damage been nerfed yet?

salutari nostro·Dec 23, 2017·1 votes·992 views

I don't understand how this champ's abilities can not only have AOE but do tons of damage and no her having two damage abilities doesn't mean her damage is fair look at Twisted Fate with two damage abilities as well and he only does damage once he gets a couple items or is really ahead while zoe does a lot of damage from the start. Bard also has one damage ability and I don't see him taking off 3/4 of your HP with his Q? Just nerf her E and also fix her w so she isn't constantly getting free summoner spells.

11 Comments

WeedbroDec 23, 20173 votes

riot hasn't milked enough rp out of her yet just wait until the RP costs goes down to normal and she will be nerfed.

BlackEyesBlueDec 23, 20173 votes

Because if she doesn't deal big damage; What would she do?

WeedbroDec 23, 20171 votes

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Because if she doesn't deal big damage; What would she do?

OH I DUNNO MAYBE NOT SPAM PADDLESTAR EVERY 4 SECONDS AND NEVER RUN OUT OF MANA LOL

BlackEyesBlueDec 23, 20171 votes

4 seconds is a LONG time in a team fight. And if it's not an ability that's worth avoiding then it's even worse. ..

Teridax68Dec 23, 20172 votes

Zoe's damage hasn't been nerfed yet because high burst damage is something she is meant to do, and statistically she is not actually that strong. I can agree that she feels overloaded and terrible to play against, but that not should be an excuse to nerf a champion in the wrong place. In this case, if you want to nerf her damage, you are either going to have to rework her, or look for other avenues to buff her, and I don't think stuff like lower cooldowns or even longer ranges would make people happy either. Comparing Zoe's burst to Bard's makes absolutely no sense to me, because Bard isn't designed to be a burst champion, and has a ton of unique utility on the side that Zoe cannot access. Similarly, TF has access to many tools Zoe doesn't have, including global vision and semi-global mobility, and even then still deals most of his damage in a single autoattack (which, unlike Zoe's Q, cannot miss at all). Additionally, both champions are more successful than Zoe: Zoe has a 10% pick rate and 48% win rate, whereas Bard has a 6% pick rate and a 50.5% win rate, and TF a 8% pick rate and a 51% win rate. Zoe's problem is not that she is overpowered, it's that she's poorly-designed, and if you want that to change, you're better off asking for a rework, rather than balance changes.

WeedbroDec 23, 20172 votes

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Zoe's damage hasn't been nerfed yet because high burst damage is something she is meant to do, and statistically she is not actually that strong. I can agree that she feels overloaded and terrible to play against, but that not should be an excuse to nerf a champion in the wrong place. In this case, if you want to nerf her damage, you are either going to have to rework her, or look for other avenues to buff her, and I don't think stuff like lower cooldowns or even longer ranges would make people happy either. Comparing Zoe's burst to Bard's makes absolutely no sense to me, because Bard isn't designed to be a burst champion, and has a ton of unique utility on the side that Zoe cannot access. Similarly, TF has access to many tools Zoe doesn't have, including global vision and semi-global mobility, and even then still deals most of his damage in a single autoattack (which, unlike Zoe's Q, cannot miss at all). Additionally, both champions are more successful than Zoe: Zoe has a 10% pick rate and 48% win rate, whereas Bard has a 6% pick rate and a 50.5% win rate, and TF a 8% pick rate and a 51% win rate. Zoe's problem is not that she is overpowered, it's that she's poorly-designed, and if you want that to change, you're better off asking for a rework, rather than balance changes.

uh, dude, she spams a super high damage, super long range AOE projectile every 4 seconds and never runs oom. she should have actual mana costs, either that, or a CD that isn't so low.

Teridax68Dec 23, 20171 votes

All of those nerfs sound good, but then you're going to have to either find ways to buff her that you deem acceptable, or explain why she can have all of the things you mentioned, and still have a win/play rate combination that places her as far less successful than a great deal many other champions. Again, she currently loses more games than she wins. This may change when her play rate eventually lowers, but for the time being her balance is not the main issue with her, so much as her unhealthy design, as I've explained in the above post.

Gives No LuxDec 23, 20172 votes

46% win rate.

ModPeriscopeDec 23, 20172 votes

Bardo can do damage if he wants to.

She's been out for...a month? Maybe they're still seeing if players have adjusted to playing against the champ yet.

PennsDec 23, 20171 votes

issa burst mage [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] hehe

JaspersDec 23, 20171 votes

I think she'll recieve the nerfs once she is banned enough times in pro and dominates those games, just like when the new season starts and it's just Jhin and Varus lethality botlanes again.