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If we reverted the mastery system

Chroyo·9/7/2016, 10:43:26 PM·88 votes·3,108 views

It would drastically change the game, I know that but

Everyone and Yasuo's mom would stop abusing Fervor.

Bursting someone would actually be something to achieve instead of mashing your face, proc thunderlords and zone your enemy since they've been chunked so hard.

Tanks could do their job slightly better (I'm looking at you, free 7% armor or magic pen)

Tanks would want Veteran Scars since it would give its old 3% instead of flat 50.

Damage overall would be reduced.

tl;dr: Keystone Masteries grabbed us by the throat and said, "do damage or you're useless."

...Maybe we could also buy green crystals on a wooden stick that could grant us vision for 75 gold too, but I doubt Riot is that generous.

48 Comments

Matezoide9/7/2016, 11:00:45 PM68 votes

Keystones were a mistake.

Salron9/7/2016, 11:04:28 PM26 votes

Kuck Feystones

Marshbouy9/8/2016, 1:30:09 AM11 votes

I had the fuck keystones idea few months ago. Glad to see it's finally catching on.

WestwardZephyr9/8/2016, 2:35:05 AM9 votes

I agree that with careful balancing, this would be smart, but this is riot we're talking about here. If they just removed keystones, then several champs who are reliant on them (Note: not champs that abuse them, champs that need them to function well) would be gutted by extension. For example, several burst mages like Orianna Ahri Annie would have wayyy less damage and poke without thunderlords, to the point where they would be just garbage. Keystones are definitely a problem, but removing them could make things worse.

ThePartyLeader9/7/2016, 11:59:09 PM6 votes

7% armor and magic pen! That's way more then the 8% you could get in season 3 on the third tier of offense tree!

O wait...... Please don't just make crap up to get on the band wagon.

Keevalroy9/8/2016, 12:53:31 PM6 votes

Almost a year ago

Me: Guys, keystones are bullshit. They're going to ruin whatever balance we might have had,

White Knights: NO! SHUT UP! YOU'RE JUST A HATER WHO CAN'T ACCEPT CHANGE!

Others: C'mon, it's preseason, let them try it out. If they're broken they'll fix them right?

Later on

Me: Keystones are still a problem, why aren't we reverting...?

White Knights: SHUT UP KEYSTONES ARE FINE!!!11!one!!1 RITO SAID SO!!

Others: Well...some of them are okay, they still add something new to the game...I guess.

Today

Others: Okay, keystones are a problem and need to go.

Me: https://media.giphy.com/media/1Z02vuppxP1Pa/giphy.gif

White Knights: (Downvoted to oblivion)

I'm so happy to see people finally understanding how much damage the mastery update did to the already-damaged game. Once again, the best course of action is to revert to the old masteries that didn't break anyone, that didn't warp the balance around their existence, and didn't need to be changed constantly when someone abuses a new keystone, also indirectly nerfing the champions who depended on it and didn't abuse it.

Drahcir9/8/2016, 6:27:29 AM5 votes

Three things need to be done IMO

  1. Buff tank masteries
  2. Remove Fervor and Thunderlords
  3. Bring back the old warding trinket.
A Liberal9/8/2016, 3:37:11 AM5 votes

Masteries are okay, but the current placement of Thunderlords is a major issue. Warlords should be removed and replaced with Thunderlords, and Thunderlords should be replaced with another utility based keystone, maybe something like 33% ward cooldown reduction? Thunderlords being on the utility tree is what's the issue IMO.

Edit: ahem, not utility, cunning

Dengeden9/8/2016, 2:20:44 AM2 votes

You guys are so funny. Everyone would still play Yasuo and you guys would still drop to him like flies. There were the old masteries Protuding Blades + Spell Weaving that Yas would use.

You think the 100-200 damage from Thunderlord's is bursting people. You think that avoiding 3 abilities is difficult.

I'm looking at you 6% hybrid pen in the old offense tree.

3% HP increase has repeatedly been proven to be useless.

Damage would be moved to late game for most (and no, AD melees are not included here, Fizz might be though so yeah), making them return to their agricultural roots.

Jonxx9/8/2016, 5:21:00 AM2 votes

Just remove offensive keystones, and replace them all with more defensive options. Done.

Teridax689/8/2016, 6:38:34 PM2 votes

Was the old mastery system really worth keeping, though? I'm not defending the new mastery system, and in fact I'd like to see it removed, but I also don't think there really ever was truly interesting gameplay or strategy to the previous masteries either. At this point, it probably might be better to just call it quits, scrap masteries entirely and put whatever choice they bring into in-game itemization and champion buffs. A little extra gold could go a long way into opening avenues for more stats or unique effects at level 1.

TyrekGoldenspear9/8/2016, 11:35:07 AM1 votes

Waiting on the mastery system for S7 before I make any judgments.

KoKoboto9/8/2016, 1:32:06 PM1 votes

I really have to agree with the Thunderlords one, especially when playing Jayce top. Just go for 3 attacks then leave and wait for the CD, kinda bonkers.

Jeddy0179/8/2016, 4:14:19 PM1 votes

Whatever they do with the mastery system, I just hope they leaves Rune simple. I don't want Runes to become another thing that wraps the entire balance of the game. Yes Runes needs to be updated, but I don't think they need to become another big balance lever.

Kudrov9/8/2016, 5:11:06 PM1 votes

wait. What are you really trying to tell us OP ? ohh wait wait i got it... riot games made a game named league of legends in 2009 and since then they keep destroying the game with the most ridiculous updates and changes thru the years.

well thanks riot to auto-destroy your game a lilttle futher more everyday.

SeductiveGrandpa9/8/2016, 9:05:39 PM1 votes

OMG WHEN i READ THIS I THOUGHT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT CHAMPION MASTERY

Jesus, thats not wrong though, you take away M5 Emote Spam and you take away half of Yasuo and Zed's playrate.\

redfeenix9/8/2016, 9:30:29 PM1 votes

Oh I misread that as champ masteries. I'm like why would you remove someones mastery points?

ZT Xperimentor9/8/2016, 4:11:39 AM1 votes

It'd be a start at least.

Rozair9/9/2016, 1:19:54 AM1 votes

you know there was an old mastery at the bottom of the tree that added like 15% ad or ap. that was busted as well. I like keystone but i feel like armor and mr right now are shit

JerulEon9/8/2016, 4:08:33 AM1 votes

Please stop... You're making me cry in sadness... because it's all true :(

dominusx9/8/2016, 10:39:05 AM1 votes

No better nerf all the champions 1st because they synergise too well with keystones and the new broken items. XinZhao MasterYi Azir ( not just for items ) Viktor Yasuo Zed Jhin Ekko Lucian needless to go on man. Game is retarded .