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Garen has gotten out of hand.

GAMERMANA·8/15/2018, 11:00:08 AM·29 votes·12,188 views

Having 1 till 3 passives overtime and then increasing the effect of 1 DRAMATICALLY , Garen really has gotten out of hand these days and i believe running 5/8/1 mid game and STILL being able to 1v3 everytime is not supposed to happen.

I have used to main garen for along time to learn some game mechanics and trust me i had such a great jump in my match history from only Q and then running away then eventually killing my opponent who was 20% health with a 50 sec averaged cooldown ultimate. A hand full of reasons why garen is just so broken:

  1. his passive: Garen's passive completely makes health potions such an unneeded early game must-have. Not only perseverance GARENtees him a 50% health every 30 secs but also completely destroys the point of "trading" since garen can easily Q-W-E and run away doing about 300 amount of damage while taking 350-400 that he can just heal by staying under turret. Hitting level 11 makes this passive like having warmog's armor which saves him about 3000 gold that can be redirected into buying further more Armor or damage again making garen a walking-base healthed-killing machine

2)His Q : while not being as broken as his other features, garen's Q sure does a handfull of damage (140% Extra damage + the level of the Q) making the opponent rethink about further (and completely useless) trading. A damage dealing ability is sure not THAT broken,however what is in fact is that he silences the opponent for 1.5 seconds leaving enough time for garen to run away peacefully with no harm. garen doesnt only break free from ALL the slows that are cast on him, but further giving him an extra 30 % movement speed for a tank to move as fast as a quinn using her Ultimate for almost 5 seconds.

  1. his W : courage gives garen bonus Armor and magic resist for 2 seconds, tenacity for the first 0.75 seconds. that seems fair for me yes but having 1 bonus armor and magic resist every time he kills 4 targets stacking up to 40 points in each of these is just like giving him a free negatron cloak and chain vest which adds up to FURTHER 1520 gold which (again) is bought to get EVEN more armor or damage

  2. his R : His R has his third passive (his 2nd being the W), which says that the villain is dealt extra damage to the last guy that killed anyone from garen's team (doesnt work on garen himself) , the damage is 1% of bonus health that garen has. now the passive is fine by me but NOT the ability itself. the R does 175 to 525 damage PLUS 22% to 40% the MISSING HEALTH of the opponent. by doing the math... anyone below 25% of his health is DEAD if he ever gets near garen accounting the overall damage garen allready does from his Q and E, this leaves us MINIMUM 40% health to fight garen.. AND if so you have to kill him INSTANTLY because of his 1.5 sec silence..

  3. he is a TANK...ULTRA REGEN TANK so all the damage you are seeing right now is on a 3.5k average mid-late game health garen

im 100% sure other people would say the same thing because in ranked games its either ban garen or play him (at least in silver elo) if not then suffer the consequences if anyone locks in with him.

Im looking forward to hear from you guys in the comments.

74 Comments

Jamaree8/15/2018, 11:13:15 AM16 votes

Garen

ISNT

A

TANK!!!!

Jamaree8/15/2018, 12:10:15 PM8 votes

Guys come on, you are better then this, Garen loses to the same thing now that he lost to during the 9 years he has been considered trash: Kiting and Ranged mobile champions. Stop picking melees into him and branch out your roster.

Poske8/15/2018, 11:09:22 AM5 votes

For the first time in league history garen is not a trash tier

The only reason I recently died to garen is because I took him for granted (which you no longer can do) Give it time and his winrate ll keep droping

True Garen8/16/2018, 5:25:19 AM4 votes

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  1. his W : courage gives garen bonus Armor and magic resist for 2 seconds, tenacity for the first 0.75 seconds. that seems fair for me yes but having 1 bonus armor and magic resist every time he kills 4 targets stacking up to 40 points in each of these is just like giving him a free negatron cloak and chain vest which adds up to FURTHER 1520 gold which (again) is bought to get EVEN more armor or damage

Garen actually has low base resistances to partially compensate for his bonus resistances. Even with his W passive fully stacked, at least one champion has higher base armor than Garen. And getting the full W passive, ~160 CS at 20m, isn't a light thing. A fully stacked Shyvana has similar resistances, and Olaf gets the same 40/40 on his R passive just for leveling up. Garen has stacks. Lots of champions have stacks. Nasus has stacks. Veigar has stacks. Garen's stacks happen to have a cap. As you point out, it's the equivalent of an extra piece of basic armor. That doesn't normally get completed until late game, if there is one. At the cost of a weaker early game.

MOLTinaTOR8/15/2018, 11:10:24 AM4 votes

Yorick I eat Garens for breakfast

Spank the Fox8/15/2018, 12:22:25 PM4 votes

I laughed when I noticed my total spin damage on the ability was over 1000 damage at level 15/16.

A basic ability that does more damage than any ultimate in the game for just sitting on them for 3 seconds. Hilarious.

I built one armor item (DMP) at the time and could dive into their 3 AD comp easily. Two armor items made me immortal.

Garen has too much pressure mid to late game and a flash Q is a death sentence that can win you the game on a priority target.

Critmaster Garen8/15/2018, 8:14:06 PM3 votes

garen almost dropped 6% in winrate from 8.15 to 8.16

this only proves that youre just terrible no matter how strong or how weak the champion is.

MorgManBasher8/15/2018, 12:24:47 PM2 votes

Garen's passive is actually complete trash in the early game, if you honestly think it's good in the early stages of the game you haven't been playing Garen enough.

Jerry SeinfeId8/15/2018, 12:24:57 PM2 votes

but further giving him an extra 30 % movement speed for a tank to move as fast as a quinn using her Ultimate for almost 5 seconds.

Not A tank, he has no dashes unlike alot of tanks and has no cc of himself either. If he didn't have his MS buff he'd instantly be useless again.

is just like giving him a free negatron cloak and chain vest which adds up to FURTHER 1520 gold which (again) is bought to get EVEN more armor or damage

THat's the point, he needs these extra stats to function while building offensive items aside from a few tank items. He's a juggernaut not a tank.

  1. he is a TANK...ULTRA REGEN TANK so all the damage you are seeing right now is on a 3.5k average mid-late game health garen

He's not a tank. Why would i ever give a single fuck about full tank garen? if he builds full tank and not even a blackcleaver he does not damage. He has no hard CC either so that's not something i have to watch out for either. The fuck is the point of a tank that can just be ignored? being a silence bot is really not gonna be enough to win you the game.

im 100% sure other people would say the same thing because in ranked games its either ban garen or play him (at least in silver elo)

Hi i'm silver i don't ban garen, barely see him banned and barely see him played.

Here's your real problem: He got fed. out of all the characters in this game he's one of those you don't even wanna see get ahead. If you let him he'll roll over you. On top of that you play in silver. You wanna know what my garen build is in silver? item 3147 > item 3078 into tank most of the time. I had an 80% winrate with that last season. I also try to get stormrazor now and i just cheese from bush all the time. If after the 5th time people still don't realise that, then they deserve to lose.

Leetri8/15/2018, 4:31:35 PM2 votes

The main issue I have with Garen is that unless you have tons of mobility yourself he just runs up to you, silences you and kills you before the silence wears off. You can't spend the entire game running away from Garen either, someday you have to confront him or he just rolls over all your towers. He's kinda like Tryndamere in that aspect, the main counterplay is to run away but that doesn't help if they're taking your base. As someone who mainly plays tanks and immobile mages he's always been a gigantic pain for me.

theChibiTina8/15/2018, 11:20:06 AM2 votes

Wish Riot would nerf garen. Faced one earlier and we could not cut through him. Late game he tanked both nexus turrets for almost a solid minute trying to kill me and my ADC. I was Soraka, but he silenced me so I couldn't do anything. Then he walked away missing only about half his health. He should have been dead after tanking an ADC and two turrets, but nope. :/