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So what's the plan with Azir?

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How long do you plan on leaving this guy in the dumps? It's been over half a year since this guy has been in an awful state with very little effort to be done to get him to be better. There is the argument "He's overloaded" and "He can do everything others can do but way better" but those can be said with most of the champions released in and after season 5. Riot posts claim to design champions that have kits that fit their personality and are not overloaded, yet Camilie has way too many things going for her. Yasuo is another example, yet when he gets nerfed he also gets an AD ratio added to his E so he isn't hit too hard which is confusing, as he is considered a very skilled champion with a 49-50% winrate with 5-15 games played and over a 55% winrate for over 125 games played. While Azir's winrate is a mere 46% for players with over 125 games played even though he is a much harder champ. Also, 50 less gold for his turret kill? Please tell me what the plan is for this guy so I can decide to stay away from this game for good. Thanks. t. Someone who is tired of waiting.

37 Comments

Penns4 votes

He isnt that weak imo. Ryze has a similar win rate because they are both pretty hard to play, Azir is likely even harder... And we all know Ryze lul

RcGjWO640w3 votes

The issue is that Azir and Ryze rely on two completely separate win conditions. Ryze wins by simply getting into late game where a EQWQEQ combo will literally one shot everyone but the tank where as Azir relies on a heavy front line and good peel since he effectively acts as an AP Carry who's damage comes more consistently and less bursty.

Azir relies on his team to keep him alive where a fed Ryze can 1v3 and you'd consider betting on him picking up the triple kill. This is just something much harder to do in soloqueue where a solo hypercarry like Ryze dominates.

Steel Blossom2 votes

Azir relies on his team to keep him alive. Hasitem 3157 and that dumbass ult, and mobility....

Lauchmelder2 votes

Zhonyas is pretty much useless on him. If you get into a situation where you'd need it you're dead anyway.

His mobility? Boy let me tell you, he barely has a reason to use it. He can play his lane fairly safe, a Shurima Shuffle is suicide unless your team can AoE CC the enemy as followup (or burst them fast enough).

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

What he means is that "Azir relies on his team to keep him alive" is no arguement. Azir has great escape because of his mobility. His ult is one of the best selfpeel abilities in the entire game. He has huge range because of his soldiers, meaning that he can act from very safe distance.

Azir actually has too much safety.

Lauchmelder2 votes

So we should nerf him?

Sure, let's delete him completely.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Never said that and I would be glad if you don't put words in my mouth, thank you.

What is necessary (which gets mentioned often enough in this boards) is not a nerf, but they have to define Azir. He is in need of a rework, the same applies to Kalista. Both have too many strengths built in their kit and not enough downsides.

For example they could shift Azir to be a battlemage. That would mean that they have to reduce his mobility and range. But on the other hand they would buff his survivability, like giving him more defensive stats and mechanics (they could give him a shield again, for example).

Until he gets this rework, he has to be kept intentionally weak, because he exceeds at too much stuff and if he would be brought back to be strong, he would dominate competitive mid lane completely again.

Don't say I like that situation, I love Kalista myself and want her to be competitive. But that's how the situation is right now and there is nothing left to do than to wait patiently til these champions get the rework.

Lauchmelder1 votes

The day they make him a battlemage is the day I'll stop playing him for good.

All Azir needs is a buff to his midgame, because while others can build damage he has to decide between having a lot of AS and low damage or high damage with barely a chance to apply it.

Btw, he still has a (nearly worthless) shield.

Steel Blossom1 votes

tbh I really wouldn't mind if they deleted Azir completely, along with every other safe ranged champion.

Lauchmelder1 votes

And I wouldn't mind if they'd delete assassins either.

They can never be balanced AND fun/fair to play against.

Everybody got something they hate, doesn't mean deleting them is any good.

Steel Blossom1 votes

Is it really balanced to have something that completely denies any melee aggression short of untargetable abilities?

Lauchmelder1 votes

Is it really balanced to burst someone in 0.5 seconds before the individual (or his support) can even react?

This discussion will never see a result, you call mages OP, I call assassins BS (and their anti AP itemization too for that matter)

Steel Blossom1 votes

0.5 seconds is really a massive overstatement for everybody other than maybe Rengar, especially now that Talon's combo takes like twice as long.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Kha'Zix can do it. Leblanc can do it.

Assassins are a design failure. They can't be strong AND fun/fair to play against and they aren't worth picking when weak. It's an impossible to balance class.

Steel Blossom1 votes

Kha'zix can do it...yeah, his E jump takes up the bulk of that 0.5 seconds. Reworked Leblanc is basically Ahri 2.0, from assassin to kite mage. Also, you keep dodging the question of whether or not Azir's ult denies melee champions too much. Please answer.

Lauchmelder1 votes

No it doesn't.

Deny yes, too much no

Steel Blossom1 votes

Fizz Zed MasterYi are the only three champions that has any answer to Azir's ult, just off the top of my head. That is not too much?

KennysDreamGirl1 votes

Ryze hard to play? lul

IllegalBagel4 votes

TO BRING BACK THE POWER OF AZIR

Tattersall3 votes

MAKE SHURIMA GREAT AGAIN http://i.imgur.com/hYjSqL9.gif?noredirect

IllegalBagel2 votes

This made my day

Backup4now4 votes

Due to the nature of his kit, the amount of changes required (and thus associated programming) to get him to a balanceable state are absolutely immense. You have a character with a classic "have a strong scenario, and have the tools to get into that strong scenario every time" problem. His range is huge, his soldiers are completely invincible, and they will chase you to the ends of the earth with ease. You cannot reasonably engage on him because he can disengage way harder, and he can kite melees with his rylais. The only reasonable counterplay to Azir is "kill him in one hit."

In other words, it's going to be a very long time.

RcGjWO640w3 votes

I used to be an Azir one trick and it's so sad that I can't play him anymore due to him being literally unplayable. Like, playing him in ranked is ACTUALLY a reportable offense for trolling at this point. Smite Singed support is still more viable.

JosephAngelo1 votes

I agree. There was a day at the end of my one trick days that I asked myself "why am I playing a champion that I need to play exceptionally well just to not fall behind when I could play anything else, put in half the effort of farming and still get the same if not a better result just because this new champions numbers are better?" it's actually really sad that I can't play my favorite champion because he is very overtly designed to be ineffective. he is seeing some pro play but in pro play mid laners can rely on their team to baby them and draw out the game until it goes late and Azir is super good late and pro players can rely on their team to peel them and cc opponents while azir shreds them. he is aweful for solo queue because the game is decided before he even hits his power spike.

Lauchmelder1 votes

I have been fiddling around with his build lately. Got inspired by an Azir Bot guide that recommended 3 Nashors.

Try double Nash into Rylais and Void Staff. You'll do less damage midgame due to missing the slow on Rylais, but the AS makes for insanely good waveclear.

Tattersall3 votes

I've always thought it would be interesting if they removed damage from his Q, but also lowered its cooldown and increased its range. I dunno.

JosephAngelo2 votes

I think it would be really interesting to remove damage from Q. I like abilities like anivia's wall; it doesn't do damage itself but it allows her to do more damage with the rest of her kit. we are applying the same concept here. Q does no damage but it allows him to do more damage with his w.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

I also would like to know what's gonna happen with Azir. I'm an avid Azir fan and would like him to not suck to play as OR against.

CrazyBigfoot282 votes

until Ryze gets his 10th rework

LostFr0st1 votes

This is the last piece of news we got, 2 days ago:

{quoted}

Nothing currently planned. Azir's always been particularly problematic in pro play and we're seeing him get fringe play there right now which means we don't have any room to buff him at present.

morris11 votes

He will most likely get an Alistar / Shyvana level rework.

Proxy3451 votes

Azir went back into the sand lol

AmazoX1 votes

Azir with over 125 games played, Players have a better win rate than 46%.

SSJTribe1 votes

Damn, half a year already? Still doesn't feel long enough.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

55% winrate over 125 games isn't surprising. I'm pretty sure even lux does that. That's no bullshit stat.

70% (Ahem aurelion sol) is something to be called bullshit.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

The main issue is that Azir is mean't to be a Sustained DPS champion. But between Solder AA -> Q -> AA and Thunderlord's Decree, Azir had access to quite a hefty amount of burst. More importantly, it was safe burst. The only thing I could think of would be shifting that damage from Q to E so that he has to sacrifice safety to burst.

Steel Blossom1 votes

This entire champion is basically a big middle finger to anyone who is melee...idk how they're gonna balance that, tbh.

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