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The Recent Ziggs Augment Nerf

DaisyBlaster··53 votes·20,244 views
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Not to mention the missions are super hard already, when players found a way to win this game mode, as always Riot changes it. It is an event, like the other players commented, it is supposed to be fun and rewarding, and now the chance has been taken away from us. If you want players to go through hard tough not even skilled missions, because the monsters inside just have out numbers you with tremendous health and atk, why would you even bother giving us the augments to play with it? Not to mention the last mission requires 2 augments to challenge and unless you are with friends it is so hard to get other players to work with you.

I can't help but noticed that there is also a recruitment mission, doesn't that already mean League of Legends has become a less fun game to play with? When players discovered a fun way to earn rewards, according to Riot Mort the Ziggs strat has no effort and apparently they (Riot?) are not happy about it. What Riot Mort does not know is that, it still takes a lot of time to practice and coordinate with friends and/or randoms to get the strategy to work out. This process actually made the mode fun and rewarding, because it is not an easy task to begin with. No wonder players starting to play less League of Legends, because we cannot even earn rewards for events! What I am most disappointed about is that, Riot Mort said the reward is not meant for everyone. Then what is the purpose of making a game mode with rewards that is almost impossible for most players to achieve for?

I don't know since when the opinion of a senior designer is greater than the vast population of League community. I really enjoyed the old League of Legends where missions are actually meaningful. I think rewards should be given to players as long as they spend enough time and/or play as fives, if Riot tries to get the community to be involved. One game I played also has extra hard stages for players who wants to be challenged, the reward for the extra hard mode will be in game currency, for League of Legends it will be BE, but all other exclusive rewards are earn-able for all players as long as they finish all the missions. Like when the first VS missions came out it was like that as well. I hope Riot listens to us, because with decisions like this (nerf the augments) will only push players away instead of keeping them.

Best Regards,

A player since the beginning of S3

112 Comments

Seaweed Banana30 votes

Yea I agree, the game mode is so discouraging and begging other players to help is not a fun thing to do...[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Beatrice falls29 votes

The presentation of it states that you are free to play it the way you want by being creative (something along those lines) but then they restrict you do to so -_-

Krully5 votes

you can play it as you want, so long as you do it how we want it

ForgottenLuck12 votes

What kinda annoys me is how he says the strat is "unfun" which I disagreed with, since when can someone define what's fun or not, I enjoyed the strat a lot and find that if that's their "excuse" its an awful one

Dream High4 votes

The whole game mode is unfun. You have to spend somewhere between 1-2 hours just to get to onslaught. A few more hours to unlock the Arguements slots whilst grinding for the right arguements. Then you have to do these hard missions whilst praying for a good team.

Death Rex2 votes

I mean, this mode is designed like most online PvE, which grinding practically requires. I've yet to see an online PvE game which has everything unlocked from the start. I think it is pretty ok for this mode to have some sort of grinding.

rtbf2216514128 votes

"So this wont be popular"

I thought you were making a videogame for the people. Not for yourselves. FFS.

saltran7 votes

I spended a moderate time yesterday and did the 2 Augment mission 3 times (because I had to do the 4, 3 and 2 missions) because I knew that they would hotfix it.

DaisyBlaster3 votes

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I spended a moderate time yesterday and did the 2 Augment mission 3 times (because I had to do the 4, 3 and 2 missions) because I knew that they would hotfix it.

Lucky

Cooldoggy7 votes

For those who are disagreeing on this post, I'm disagreeing on you. Just because you are able to get it doesn't mean you are the better one. Plus it's PVE and it is meant to let everyone have fun not suffer.

2Charmnot2Charm7 votes

Plus it's PVE

And just like that your argument is invalid, "it's just a game bro."

DaisyBlaster8 votes

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And just like that your argument is invalid, "it's just a game bro."

Like you sound valid, "it's just a game bro", then why are you so serious about it?

2Charmnot2Charm8 votes

Are you too dumb to realize "it's just PVE" is exactly why I quoted "it's just a game bro"? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Edit: Ha i love how you had "I hope people feed on your team" and ninja edit your comment. You got something to say then leave it up for everyone to see.

DaisyBlaster8 votes

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Are you too dumb to realize "it's just PVE" is exactly why I quoted "it's just a game bro"? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Sorry I don't see your point because you are so bad at making your point. [zombie-brand-clap]

2Charmnot2Charm4 votes

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Seaweed Banana8 votes

People toxic like you should really brush your teeth with toilet water lol, why do you exist? Maybe you didn't finish grade school, what a pity, I feel bad that you have to find your own existence on the internet like this. How your mother knows your miserable life. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

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UnDeuxTrois1237 votes

You mean people like you? Go look in the mirror and I think you will find something interesting. [vlad-salute]

DaisyBlaster7 votes

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Are you too dumb to realize "it's just PVE" is exactly why I quoted "it's just a game bro"? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Edit: Ha i love how you had "I hope people feed on your team" and ninja edit your comment. You got something to say then leave it up for everyone to see.

Yea, I do hope your teammate feeds because to you "it's just a game bro".

Saitho Orihara7 votes

I'll be honest on why I'm mad about this decision : Yes, I wanted to abuse it, why ? Because I'm tired of this gamemode, it's so fun when you just play it for the hell of it, but the mission are so cancerous, all Sona or Ziggs ? Why ? All Yasuo ? Why ? Why should my mission success be in he hands of complete strangers, I only wanted the Jinx Icon so I did the SR missions, a friend of mine wants the ward but we always seem to get that one guy who decides to take full augments.

Missions where I my team as 100% of the power for success is dumb. Having mission like : Play with or against X champion with Y skin is good, it can happen or you can do it yourself. But missions where ALL the team as to sit down, have a talk and all agree on the mission they'll do is dumb, we aren't all at the same mission. In future events I hope there won't be other "Begging the team to do X thing" because I can't even be mad at them, maybe they already finished the mission, maybe they're on an other mission or they just want to play the game. These missions aren't healthy if you aren't in a Five to Four Men, it's just a purely made event on the mission side.

But the gamemode and augment system is super fun, missions are a failures for me tho

Flemman6 votes

the biggest problem with those mission is that they unlock after completing another one.

I'm still currently at the 3 strarting onslaught mission (4 augment , win, full comp) but most of the time I play with player who want 2 augment or a further mission. So ok, I try your mission but knowing I will have to do it again when it will be my turn to do the 2 augment thing just not make me really serious about it. (need to do the "easy" one, going for the really hard one to please other but getting punished for it by not getting the achievement because you need to do it in the order riot decide)

All the onslaught mission should have been unlocked at the same time so, for exemple, if I do the 2 augment but the 3 and 4 are still up, they complete at the same time. Same for the one champ/all ziggs/sona and stuff like that.

Better, mission should have been unlock each time you reach the needed tier

I just hope they fix it and remove that "forced order" for the last week

Saitho Orihara2 votes

The mission not being in a Forced Order would've been way better, that's a pretty good idea that would easily fix a lot of issue people have with these missions.

This is a really smart idea and I'll hope with you that Riot remove that Forced Order

UnDeuxTrois1236 votes

I have always been a big fan collecting icons, right now knowing that I am not going to be able to earn the icons I am super sad... the star guardians mode was actually better than this odyssey since it is achievable. I think Riot Mort is right about "it is a mistake to offer that kind of challenge", and I agree with the post that event exclusive rewards should be given out to players who spends time and participates. [sg-janna]

Tahminatrix 6 votes

So they would prefer to reward people who go all out single player mode rather than the ones who coordinate?

Isnt that sending a message to all players that coordination shouldn't be rewarded? If you wanted a gamemode that didn't involve multiple people buffing one person (IN A PREDOMINANTLY TEAMGAME) then why have multiple players in that mode along with access to champs like sona and malphite in the first place.

DaisyBlaster9 votes

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So they would prefer to reward people who go all out single player mode rather than the ones who coordinate?

Isnt that sending a message to all players that coordination shouldn't be rewarded? If you wanted a gamemode that didn't involve multiple people buffing one person (IN A PREDOMINANTLY TEAMGAME) then why have multiple players in that mode along with access to champs like sona and malphite in the first place.

Right? And then they took away the team cooperation strategy saying that no it's too OP, then why bother giving us the augments buff?[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Rismosch5 votes

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Cooldoggy13 votes

What makes you think you can talk like that just because you beat the missions, you probably aren't a good player after all that's why you are here and showing off. Seeing you talking big is unfun and boring, why don't you just save it for you self? You don't get the judge what is fun for others. Grow up geez. [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

DaisyBlaster14 votes

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You're just mad because you wanted to abuse it.

It was stupidly easy, downright boring and unfun. You would do nothing but press W for about 40 minutes.

I tried it a few times, and won. It's boring as hell. I could've played 10 fun matches in the time of 2 or 3 of these boring Ziggs W matches.

It's good that Riot removed it, because it takes zero skill and everything else is more fun to play than sitting in a corner and spamming one button for half an hour.

You said it your self you tried it a few times and won, that's probably how you got your missions done and now you are just sitting there and hope no one else gets it.

kyle53422 votes

Indeed, plus he only succeeded the ziggs strat 1 time/3 lol, saying it's easy... and then he didn't ever succeeded this mod again without ziggs strat. That's clearly because he want to be one of those who succeeded the mission and brag it out.

He said "Who enters a competition just for the trophy? What meaning does the trophy have if it doesn't represent anything at all?" but that's what he did, clear the mission with ziggs strat then go on coop vs ia when he got his reward... That's really tick me off people like him, hypocrite...

floo2 votes

So what? You don't have to play this strategy. Some people just don't want to take 25 tries to maybe be lucky once and kill Kayn with only 2 augments.

Rismosch2 votes

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floo2 votes

That's nice for you, I'm glad you're having fun every single try. But some people do the missions for the rewards, not for a challenge. Just let them do their thing and we let you do your thing, don't see a reason why one had to be shut down.

Rismosch2 votes

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floo2 votes

As I said, some people like the challenge, I understand. I myself (and pretty much all the people I teamed with) got frustrated from such requirements. If I want to have fun in this mode I'd go 5 augments smth, not 2. I did it for the free skins tbh, blame me if you want but I don't see a problem in this. Also it wasnt really my choice to be part of this competition, as I just wanted the price (sounds so selfish lol).

Rismosch2 votes

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floo4 votes

I never said it would be okay in a competitive scenario. This is PvE, as you said. I don't reach my rewards at the cost of others and certainly don't ruin the game. If you don't want to play this strategy, you don't have to. Also this isn't cheating, just a not well tested, provided synergy from Riot.

Again, why is it a problem for you that other people get their rewards in a way they enjoy? You enjoy your way and we don't judge you for it.

Honestly, no I don't. Let people do what they want, if it doesn't have negative influence on anyone else.

Mrunique3 votes

Well said. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

DaisyBlaster3 votes

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But don't you think winning a difficult mode shoud require skill? I mean, what's the point of having a difficult game when an OP strategy makes it super easy? Even the Jinx strategy is too easy for my taste. I literally did it on the first try. The Yasuo one is tons of fun and requires alot of skill. I needed like 20 or 30 tries, but eventually I did it.

I don't see how you need skill to win this, win with no augments I will say it's skill. The monsters scale with shit ton of dmg and health, and you use augments to buff yourself. It's not really used of skill but more based on luck depending on what random map you get.

floo2 votes

You know even despite rng and augments in the first place, he said it himself. Its taste. Some want it to be easy some want it to be harder, why does either have to care about the others?

Spank the Fox2 votes

You aren’t entitled to the win then if you want to do that bullshit.

I see no issue

floo2 votes

I am not entitled to win this because I am playing a strategy which the game provides, but you don't like? What?

Spank the Fox1 votes

Exactly, what did you miss?

I mean, I’m really not going to get in a debate where someone actually thinks the Zigg cheese was not in a league of it’s own. You’d have to be missing a few thousand braincells to defend that point.

If Riot let it go on, we’d get threads saying “Insane mission would’ve been hard except for the brainless Ziggs cheese everyone ran and got their free participation ribbon and prize”

floo3 votes

Why is it my fault if Riot messes up? I won't deny it was OP, but it's the same thing as if someone played an OP champ in ranked. Not their fault for Riots balance team to be terrible at their job. EXCEPT, this is a PvE mode. Nobody is harmed when I play this strat with a full lobby of people who just want to get this mission done. I don't understand why I wouldn't be entitled to win lol

Spank the Fox1 votes

There’s a difference being OP (3-4x Yasuo, 1-2x Malphite) and being mandatory (Ziggs Satchel), which is why I said that it was in a League of it’s own.

You’re not entitled to win by just showing up and humping a wall while you beat your meat. The point is to try a little. Ziggs method didn’t involve trying

I’ve said all I can say. You seem to convinced that it was fine. It wasn’t.

floo3 votes

"The point is to try a little"

Then do so, idc. But if I can reach my goal easier then I will and just because you think I should "try a little harder" or "give myself some challenge" I don't have to. How about you learn to respect other opinions too?

5050BS4 votes

This is like WOW when a Guild would get world first with a tactic and then Blizzard would remove the tactic and EVeryONE else was SOL and those that used it got the rewards while others had to work a LOT harder to get the same rewards.

So Riot you going to take away the rewards from those that now cheated?

Corrupt Bliss4 votes

I honestly agree with Riots choice. The Sona/Ziggs mission is not that difficult. Onslaught 2 Augments was substantially harder, but even then it doesn't require five Ziggs and a brain-dead camp abuse strategy. It was cool while it lasted.

My friends and I have all had a blast completing the missions. Some are difficult, some are relaxing, and some help us realize how cool the different augments are (ON HIT ZIGGS AND SONA AMARITE?).

Even after obtaining all augments and completing missions I'm always super down to help others out, regardless of what mission they are on. I've found similar success and mindsets in this gamemode as well.

EDIT:

And as for OP, the gem gives you a substantial amount of free skins. My friend rolled the entire Lunar Revel skin line from a birdie bag. That's A LOT of free skins. I've rolled a total of 9 free skins as well, having obtained two gems. We worked hard for those gems. We didn't use cheese strategies and we worked together with others to complete the mission. Rewards should NOT be easy to obtain, especially for the casual gamer. Give BE to the casuals, not exclusives. You've got it backwards.

Mrunique5 votes

It's a strat not even hurting other players, you play it your way we play ours, we are here for rewards too, but we just don't get it because may be we don't have enough players to form a 5 so we cannot win. We don't judge your play style so why would you judge us? [sg-ahri-1]

Corrupt Bliss3 votes

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It's a strat not even hurting other players, you play it your way we play ours, we are here for rewards too, but we just don't get it because may be we don't have enough players to form a 5 so we cannot win. We don't judge your play style so why would you judge us? [sg-ahri-1]

That's like saying you're going to sit on a ladder adjacent to the basketball hoop in a game. Your teammates pass you the balls, you push it in, and you're done.

WOW! Amazing strategy!

It's unfair. No one wants to play that way, it degrades the hard effort put in by others to actually become competent in the game. I'm not judging you, I'm judging your strategy. My first time completing onslaught I had two randoms. Most of my friends are Gold and below, and most of my friends will not be able to complete onslaught because they lack the skill to do it. We've talked about it, but they don't whine and say "GG Riot took my free skins"

DaisyBlaster3 votes

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That's like saying you're going to sit on a ladder adjacent to the basketball hoop in a game. Your teammates pass you the balls, you push it in, and you're done.

WOW! Amazing strategy!

It's unfair. No one wants to play that way, it degrades the hard effort put in by others to actually become competent in the game. I'm not judging you, I'm judging your strategy. My first time completing onslaught I had two randoms. Most of my friends are Gold and below, and most of my friends will not be able to complete onslaught because they lack the skill to do it. We've talked about it, but they don't whine and say "GG Riot took my free skins"

Funny that you said that because Riot gave us the ladder basically. The augments are buffs, and players found a combination, and now the faults is on us? That's not how it works, you talk like that because you never went further into the missions or even tried the Ziggs strat. There's much to see but you just refused to look at it. Pity.

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