Zyra/Brand

PSZ X Gumayusi·Jan 4, 2019·4 votes·1,813 views

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lets make it simple zyra and brand are way too long viable on the support role over 50% up to 53% winrate on those champs are too much both are also very annoying to play against as a adc you eithr take 14cs and die or you dont and lose. they got too much base dmg and long range either range the range of brand w or his base dmg and on zyra nerf her base dmg the range should be okey (not really but its accetable)

13 Comments

SociaI JusticeJan 4, 20193 votes

i can see why a draven main would hate damage supports as they are pretty much your only counter lmao

PSZ X GumayusiJan 4, 20191 votes

Draven got negative winrate what adc should i play karthus ziggs heimer ? all up there with the best winrates you know why cause they can freely cs while being out of range and still deal dmg now lets take a look at other adcs Kalista : awful range 46% winrate Varus : no mobility short ranged 46% winrate Xayah : same until lvl 6 (and even after lvl 6 gets os by brand easily)46% winrate Tristana : short range cant cs for shit but got her w 48% winrate Caitlyn : got the best range but even she gets hit by brand W easily without aa him 48%winrate

pretty sure the winrates with jinx kog ashe mf vs brand zyra are way lower then showed

i wish i could go back to lethality jhin varus , or as champs like kog jinx or crit champs lke cait trist but they are no good whats left is draven

SociaI JusticeJan 4, 20191 votes

what adc should i play karthus ziggs heimer ?

well if you want to win games before the new crit updates then yes those 3, brand adc is actually pretty good as well tho. the actual viable AD adcs are kai'sa, lucian, twitch and ezreal, 3 of which are pretty good into zyra brand as well.

PSZ X GumayusiJan 4, 20191 votes

i really wonder why the champs that are non crit and good against zyra brand got better winrates makes me wonder what would happen if dmg supports got nerfed and adcs could farm better and get faster items

SociaI JusticeJan 4, 20191 votes

i mean i ain't sayin that zyra and brand aren't broken i just find it amusing that someone who mains a champion that bullies the same shit out of lane as zyra and brand do and is very good against enchanters is complaining about them.

ErrastasJan 4, 20191 votes

Is MF a viable pick in diamond? I don’t like matching into MF as any mage support

FOR JUSTICEJan 4, 20191 votes

excuse me, but i believe youre asking papa riot to nerf their damage, not buff it

satire aside seriously i can deal with zyra, but brand, oml i permaban him whenever i botlane, cause its like no matter how far behind he is his damage is bullshit, and the only counterplay to his ult is "move away from allies" which isnt exactly the best thing to do if they have some sort of fed assasin or someone like camille or irelia, and it even bounces to minions so in lane its a bit harder to run away.

PSZ X GumayusiJan 4, 20191 votes

nerf there base dmg is all i say so they cant snowball as supports

ErrastasJan 4, 20191 votes

And what’s wrong with a damage support?

PSZ X GumayusiJan 4, 20191 votes

nothing but if a brand W fucks you so hard that you cant even cs or move in aa range to the cs you think thats okey ? i dont want to lose 200hp for every cs i try to take

edit: i saw that you are gold i dont know how these players are in gold since i am more like D3-D2 but a brand can perfectly zone you out fo melee minons if he is good you forget about the 14g ranged minons getting the melee is a pain in the ass

ErrastasJan 4, 20191 votes

I guess I’ve never really pictured it from the adcs point of view, I just support. I’m never really worried about brands, I just play Zyra or Vel and poke them out constantly. Then again there’s a huge difference between gold and diamond.

FOR JUSTICEJan 4, 20191 votes

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And what’s wrong with a damage support?

nothing is wrong with a damage support, but there is a problem putting with brand specifically, cause he is one that does % max health damage (that stacks) while dealing a bonus 12% extra afterward, and is able to as soon as he hits level 3.

this isnt even factoring his support item.