EDIT: This post is now outdated. I gladly eat my words, and am grateful for the changes to E
Veigar: Baleful Strike (Q ) [missile speed increased to 2.2k from 1.7k]
Seriously? I recall a red rioter posting a list of tentative buffs, all of which sounded amazing. So why are we getting this buff that solves absolutely nothing?
LoLKiru6 votesI'd imagine that that baleful strike buff is probably in addition to whatever they decide to do to his E (I think meddler just talked about E buffs again on reddit yesterday, so its probably still happening)
I think its a neat buff on its own, certainly makes Q a bit more reliable at last hitting.
Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have 3 days still until the end of this PBE cycle? Plenty of time for things to happen.
Curling Veigar6 votesIt's the first change, and it isn't even the mid-week. Just wait.
Eedat6 votesAnother thread that OP lies to us. Here are the other changes listed that OP "forgot" to mention.
Event Horizon (E) [now stops dashes early (such as Graves E, does NOT include blink/flash) that try to go through the wall vs letting them complete then stunning] Event Horizon (E) the warning particle/delay now begins at the start of Veigar's E cast time (.25 seconds) rather than at the end.
What that means is that Veigars stun now has .25 second less delay and you can't dash through it once he has started casting it
qetzel3 votesJust so that people aren't misinformed, it is probably only once the stun lands that you can't dash through it. Still a big thing, though.
Saminus Maximus4 votesAnother thread that OP lies to us. Here are the other changes listed that OP "forgot" to mention.
Event Horizon (E) [now stops dashes early (such as Graves E, does NOT include blink/flash) that try to go through the wall vs letting them complete then stunning] Event Horizon (E) the warning particle/delay now begins at the start of Veigar's E cast time (.25 seconds) rather than at the end.
What that means is that Veigars stun now has .25 second less delay and you can't dash through it once he has started casting it
Incorrect. The cage now has a 0.75 second delay instead of a 1.00 because of cast times. And the stopping dashes only happens when the stunn is already up. They can still dash out of it during the delay, it just means you cant dash through the stun finish the dash and then get stunned.
Eedat6 votesI said it has .25 second less delay which is 100% accurate
Kingsgrave2 votesI said it has .25 second less delay which is 100% accurate
and you at least .4 seconds less time to react to its placement since it happens at the same time as the cast time.
Saminus Maximus1 votesI said it has .25 second less delay which is 100% accurate
That wasnt the part you were incorrect, but i can see how what i said could be confusing. For that i apologise, however you were still wrong about dashes being stopped at the start of casting.
AkabaneKun4 votesHey, at least its an actual buff.
DrCyanide3 votesLets wait for to see what else happens. The update isn't even finished on S@20.
That said... I feel like Riot owes me a refund for this Veigar "rework but we won't say it's a rework".
Edit: Nope, it wasn't all.
Event Horizon (E) [Now stops dashes early (such as Graves E, does NOT include blink/flash) that try to go through the wall vs letting them complete then stunning]
junglerboy165 votesWOW THAT LOOKS SO USEFUL...
Oh wait, he still can't land the cage against an enemy with eyes and fingers.
OJ1912 votesLets wait for to see what else happens. The update isn't even finished on S@20.
That said... I feel like Riot owes me a refund for this Veigar "rework but we won't say it's a rework".
Edit: Nope, it wasn't all.
If you read between the lines it's riot showing favouritism to zed yet again, since it only prevents dashes.
Not to mention the part where they can just dash BEFORE the cage forms making it largely irrelevant anyway.
ThePlasticSpork3 votesIf you read between the lines it's riot showing favouritism to zed yet again, since it only prevents dashes.
Oh. My. God.
This "I hate Zed/whatever" thing is getting ridiculous. Holy shit. The lengths some of you will go to in order to somehow loop every single problem back around to Zed/Lee/(insert champ here) are getting absurd.
Let me tell you something. There is not a single wall or cage type skill that affects blinks in the game.
Not one.
Not baron walls, not red buff walls, not dragon walls, not blue buff walls, not Anivia wall, not Jarvan wall, not Azir wall, not Veigars old cage, not Veigars new cage, not Thresh's box, nothing.
Champions with blinks do not touch the edges of the cage when they blink through it, ever. This was true even BEFORE his rework.
Those two problems have nothing do with eachother, at all.
OJ1911 votesOh. My. God.
This "I hate Zed/whatever" thing is getting ridiculous. Holy shit. The lengths some of you will go to in order to somehow loop every single problem back around to Zed/Lee/(insert champ here) are getting absurd.
Let me tell you something. There is not a single wall or cage type skill that affects blinks in the game.
Not one.
Not baron walls, not red buff walls, not dragon walls, not blue buff walls, not Anivia wall, not Jarvan wall, not Azir wall, not Veigars old cage, not Veigars new cage, not Thresh's box, nothing.
Champions with blinks do not touch the edges of the cage when they blink through it, ever. This was true even BEFORE his rework.
Those two problems have nothing do with eachother, at all.
I wasn't suggesting the cage should prevent Zed from blinking. I was suggesting that removing the near-instant stun capacity and then giving us this as "compensation" is spitting in our faces considering the absurd popularity of Zed and Katarina.
I can't remember the last game I played without one of Zed, Kat, Leblanc, Liss, Ahri, Talon. I basically never see other champions anymore unless I am the one to play them.
Abyssphere3 votesWhat were the other buffs Riot mentioned?
SleepyLionCub3 votesHe is gonna be so op now!
Said no one ever
Yuumi or Lose3 votesYou gotta wait. The whole patch isn't out yet. There's minor stun buffs that you didn't post because you looked into it early and concluded that was all.
Axrios2 votesbiggest buff i've seen so far
lightdragoon882 votesAnd...changes to his E were added.
See what happens when you don't wait until all the PBE changes go through?
Ovion2 votesOk , that buff is a start... Now they need to either do something with his E to actually make it powerful or buff all the other abilities (you just can't delete a champion core ability and item and then act like a small buff can fix it)
Aakesh2 votesW sucks dick
better buff Q
still pretty shit overall. Until they give him a completely new W he's either going to be shit or have insanely OP numbers on the other 3 skills, because W is basically nothing but wave clear now.
Alorasence1 votesYou underestimate how significant a buff like this will be.
With a Q missile speed that fast, he will almost never miss.
ComannderShepard1 votesFFS Veigar is fine. I like the changes Riot made much better than his original play style.
