Boards›Gameplay

I LOVE Zoe,!!! Thank you Riot!! <3 ;)

o QIy QIy o··1 votes·998 views

(Not my video above)

I know i will recieve alot of hate from people, but I feel the need to voice my opinion about this champion; and I love her!

Personally, I think some people who play League, fail to take into account how much time Riot spends on their champions. Riot has stated (on numerous occasions) that they bring in pro players to play test characters before they release thm onto the public servers. RIOT HAS THE PBE FOR A REASON!!! [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Secondly, Why are people still complaining about her after her nerfs? They are BEYOND reasonable! They did what they did to try to extinguish the flames being spat out by the toxic player base, who fail to understand it musn't be easy creating a champion that fits into the lore (for one), and has a balanced kit! Do people honestly think that someone at Riot just said: "Hey! Let's make an unkillable child with insanely high burst damage!" and everyone else in the designing team went: "Hell yeah! That's sounds like a balanced champion!"

...what goes on inside the head of some people... [sg-ahri-1]

Anyways, in conclusion, I think some of the people who play League are idiots (like me), and I feel sorry Riot has to deal with such a toxic player base. But, regardless of what people say, I still ove playing Zoe support; and I hope Riot continues to make amazing characters, hopefully either buffing or nerfing them if they need to [sg-kiko]

13 Comments

Eternal Torment3 votes

the reason you receive hate is because you mix up passion with balance. you like her so you are convinced she is alright. This, we generally refer to as Bias and nobody credits bias on the boards.

Having said that, the problem with Zoe is that she literally contradicts everything Riot has stated or set in stone at some point throughout league. They reworked Nidalee in order to eliminate the "one Basic Ability hit is a Kill" Concept. Years later they revive that concept with Zoe

Riot has made it a mandatory rule which is this game's core mechanic that each player is limited to 2 summoners. While the rune is tolerable because it gives you a one time use only, and still limits your summoners at 2, zoe completely shits on that core mechanic and enables you an unlimited amounts of summoners which can be used in repetitive mannor. who the fuck wants a champ that can use 6 flashes in a single fight AND profits from damage that later into the game is worth being accounted for?

Point 3: Zoe has a very bitchy nature. Not as her personality but as in the effect she takes on people. She has limited, but creative mobility, she has godforsaken burst packed into one ability which can also clear an entire creep frontline and a backline with 1 use of it each, meaning a total of 2 Qs to clear a wave and people say she lacks waveclear. Zoe feels like she was made to be annoying.

She breaks a lot of rules and words Rioters have PROMISED they do not want to see. Her very existence is the embodiment of everything the old balance team with morello stated would be forbidden for design because of how badly it would derail the game. for the same reason, deleting Vladimir in his early days was a legit discussion as well.

One skillshot kill, low cd CC with damage increase, RnG, Unlimited Summoner spells. all of these are things Riot wanted to erase and forbid as much as they could from the game, and suddenly they had a flip of whim and brought it all back in a single champion.

no matter how much you like her or how "balanced" she is. she quite literally breaks the fundamental ground that set this game to be. she is a flaw in the very mentality of League's design structures and basics.

People hate zoe because she should not exist in this game, period.

Ranmaru1 votes

She doesnt have a one shot kill tho...... I dont even main zoe and I Dont understand why people hate her I dont really care at all for the champ, Ahri is just a better zoe tbh only way zoe is better is if she picks up 2 redemptions in a teamfight.

Eternal Torment1 votes

Her Q oneshots people. Its the main reason of complaint for her damage.

What kind of ability can half life you in 1 hit at lvl 4 with no ap items except dorans ring?

What kind of ability deals over 800 or even 1k damage with just one item purchase? Just buy ludens and you almost onehit an adc already.

What the fuck do you mean she has no burst? Burst is the most frustrating of her tolerant aspects! Aka the ones that dont defy the logic of this game like her W

Ranmaru1 votes

it doesn't tho people make her out to be some form of overpowered god. And it doesn't half health you at level 4 maybe an E Q PASSIVE ELECTROCUTE combo does but not her full combo, I just don't understand people calling a balanced champion OVERPOWERED

Ranmaru1 votes

Okay my two posts just didnt post so w/e Her q doesn't deal half your hp at level 4, her full combo does, Her q does not deal 1k damage with 1 item and, A burst mage bursting an adc carry?!?!?? NERFFFF

Eternal Torment2 votes

You haven't seen a single gameplay video of her ever have you? Midlane zoe doesn't lose lane except to champs who can stay a safe range away like Xerath.

Zoe's damage is the 2nd biggest complaint about her at all, and for good reason.

Let's do the maths here.

Let's assume Zoe has a typical Sorcerer tree with comet, manaflow brand, celerity and gathering storm, a typical mage tree, with domination secondaries being cheap shot and relentless hunter.

That means, purchasing a dorans ring together with her masteries gives her roughly 20 ap total at the beginning of the game.

Now let's skip ahead to level 4, Q has 2 points, W has one and E has one.

Her Q deals an initial damage of 75 + 60% AP. That means her initial damage output is, with 20 AP, 87. alright, not a big number in itself.

Now add her E sleep effect. her E at skill level 1 does 60 +40% AP, which means that one at the beginning is 68. again, not that big a number for now.

BUT NOW, Insert her sleep effect that doubles next incoming damage capping at the damage output from her E, another 68.

So we have a summ of 87+68+68 so far which makes 223 magic damage. From her skills alone. and we totally forgot the 150% Modifier on her Q for the travel distance bonus. Which makes 87x1.5 and that is rounded up 131 damage. 130.5 for the nitpicky pricks. which makes our sum 267 damage.

Now let's add a Comet proc inside this combo which is another 40 +20% AP which is a total damage output of 44.

267+ 44 equals 311 magic damage. Now, this damage may look like a low number. But keep in account this is level 4, during laning phase, where the biggest healthbar you will ever see is around 750 hp.

So yes, I might have overexaggerated her damage with 1 Skill, but she still takes down half your health with 2 skills at level 4. and most of the time you have enemy midlaners with a health cap less than 750. some even start at around 600.

and this equation is without accounting 1 or 2 of her empowered AAs, without Ignite and without at least 1 use of her W.

She has the capability to 100-0 someone with literally zero items and only one rotation of her roster, and even if it is not a kill, your target is going to have a laughably low health bar.

by the time the enemy returns to lane, zoe is 1 or 2 levels ahead and can now kill him for good, if she wasn't able to before.

I rest my case as proven.

Ranmaru1 votes

Except do you actually think she will get the 150% modifier on her q?

Eternal Torment2 votes

it really is not hard. 2k units distance, thats roughly the max range of a morg Q+ an average champions hitbox added to the length. anyone who can hold her paddle star at max range on first cast can pull it off, and keeping the star at max range is no trouble. only difficult part about this is coordinating how far you walk before you recast it, and with celerity and relentless hunter's 8 bonus movement speed, that becomes really, really easy to manage.

utilizing max range on zoe's Q was the very first thing I mastered on her when I tested her and quite frankly I suck at league, i quit a month ago and have been hardstuck this season so that should tell you something.

l MrD l3 votes

you know theyre still looking at changing her? theyre trying to find ways of actually being able to play vs her in a fair way - honestly i think they should just change her whole kit lol ....

S0kaX2 votes

{quoted} Do people honestly think that someone at Riot just said: "Hey! Let's make an unkillable child with insanely high burst damage!" and everyone else in the designing team went: "Hell yeah! That's sounds like a balanced champion!"

Considering how some champions are just bullshit to deal with, I think that's how they make champions.

lolipopevelynn2 votes

being bias is better than being a sheep. nothing was wrong with zoe compared to others who bursted harder with zero effort and have insane winrates. Ahri Veigar AurelionSol

AurelionSol in particular how long has he been just blatantly the best mid with a winrate of 55%? zoe is now sitting at 44% winrate because you HARD nerf a champion that was sitting at 48-49%. last patch she was actually in a decent spot.

Ranmaru1 votes

ikr ahri does the same thing but better I played 3 games of ahri in ranked, Almost never play her came out of every game doing good or mediocre

o QIy QIy o1 votes

im an idiot

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes