What is Riot's stance on the idea of adding an Attack Damage + Armor Item?

gingerkid427··8 votes·539 views

I don't understand why there's no AD AR item when there is an AP AR item item 3157, an AP MR Item item 3001, and 3 AD MR Items item 3156 item 3814 item 3139 . It feels unfair that mages have an item that lowers damage from mages while also allowing then to do more damage in return and in general, yet AD champions have no such option. I've heard people state that it's because it would become a must buy in the bot lane, as ADCs would obviously want to buy it against ADCs, but mages tend to face other mages and Abyssal isn't regarded as a must buy in every case. There's obviously more context to this, which is why I'm asking for a rioter's opinion on the matter.

28 Comments

redfeenix4 votes

You mean my good old friend wriggles? The item that every top laner would rush?

http://media2.fanup.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumb-600/question/iem%20jungla.png

Emerald Fang2 votes

No we need a zhonya's for ADC's.

A Basic Island2 votes

atmas was around and was a staple even tho it didn't provide THAT much ad after needing to stack hp and having crit which was useless on alot of champs

would probably be busted

LordGeovanni1 votes

staple on what besides sion and full tanks so they could pretend that they had some damage

A Basic Island1 votes

literally everyone that liked armor, ad, and hp?

Or were you not around for the "assemble the meta golem" meta

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6yGPcDpe-Gk/TuYu1hWMetI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/4bbkvRJLHmU/s1600/metagolem.jpg

LordGeovanni1 votes

I was there and i beat that ish into that ground because it was shyt the few times i actually saw it Jax item 3146 item 3124 item 3078 item 3065 item 3143 item 3047.

A Basic Island1 votes

yes, when jax got 8% dodge from runes, 12% from tabi, and whatever % from his E

LordGeovanni1 votes

i wasnt around when dodge was a stat season 2s end was my beginning

ValyrianBlade2 votes

The major difference in your question is that most mages need a mana item first. They can't rush abyssal because they wouldn't have mana to stay in lane. Marksmen and bruisers don't have that issue, they can go straight for the AD+Armor item.

Mages would have always rushed Abyssal if not for the mana issue I feel like (and it was occasionally rushed despite that, and even before it gave CDR which is the other thing mages tend to rush).

Anonagon1 votes

This entirely. Abyssal is already a rush option, mages just have to give up their early mana item to do so. Even so, its still pretty degenerate. When your opponent has Abyssal you basically just can't win an all-in, and are forced to play defensively until your opponent is out of mana.

Neko Caitlyn1 votes

Because every bruiser in the game would buy it making them even more op as f---

Dabrick012 votes

They are balanced right now, but this will cause them to become OP.

Or you are another Yasuo hater who think he is an assassin.

Marshbouy5 votes

They are a known troll. thier old acc got banned off the boards for insulting people, just ignore them.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

"Why downvotes"

Marshbouy1 votes

There is a high chance that it would crowd out itemization for AD champions if it was ever good.

LordGeovanni1 votes

like item 3165 for mages and item 3027 before that and item 3157 before that and dfg before that

Marshbouy1 votes

yup

LordGeovanni1 votes

item 3071 is already doing that for fighters. item 3031 for adcs and item 3147 for assassins. its really not gonna change anything. Idk why riot doesnt just no make the items melee only but make stats drop from a passive if the character useing the item has more range than like 300--350. i think that would be great for many melee champions and allow for cuts on champions like jayces power in that he can use it to make his melee form actually viable. his ranged form is busted but i cant ever play him in melee form to get the mana back from his w passive. riot doesnt seem to understand that range is supposed to be a strength in itself.

LordGeovanni1 votes

sings in mystical sounds for ad armor item even though its stats were bad http://pm1.narvii.com/5800/73f254425cd3e1ae4457880ec6a11f13fd8e027f_hq.jpg

Ralanr1 votes

Sion breathes heavily

LordGeovanni1 votes

game would need to be going on for 80 mins for it to even be one full ad item with the passive. previous sion was also an ap mage. i used to build him hybrid though item 3153 item 3157 item 3089 dfg item 3006 atamas implaer. He was considered a troll pick so i used it to win games whith him all of those ap items had 120 ap on them at the time and sions spells had 80% ap ratios i think. Id get stronger with every fight his ult has almost non existent cooldown and his w was off cooldown before any one could break through it.

Big Lincoln1 votes

idk how they thought titanic would replace this item

bring back atma's, Darius Garen would love it

LordGeovanni1 votes

those guys need to be balanced but it wouldnt hurt the other characters not counting Illaoi either

Big Lincoln1 votes

what do you mean? Darius is balanced, Garen is weak

atma's would be a great compliment item

LordGeovanni1 votes

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what do you mean? Darius is balanced, Garen is weak

versus adcs and mages and not the people they lane against in their intended lane. I consider them busted but if they are the standard for balance then many many fighters need mass buffs until they get reworks. the problem is riot has no standard for balance

LankPants1 votes

Do you want to see Lee get even more broken? My personal response to that is 'please dear god no'.

JedenVojak1 votes

I remember Riot talking about this in the past. I believe their stance was (paraphrasing here):

It would become must-take on every AD top laner, such that whoever got it first would have a huge advantage in lane and make top lane overall more snowbally because they'd get both more offense (to kill the other guy) and more defense (blocking the other guy's damage and shutting him down).

Quepha1 votes

IBG is a pretty good armor option for almost anyone that auto attacks and wants armor. Dead Man's plate to a lesser extent also applies.

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