Low risk, high damage (even high attack speed with w). It is actually a longtime ignored problem since MF's among the highest winrate bot champions (top 3 in most patches) since 7.11 or earlier. And now it's winrate is among the top 6 in games with any length (2nd 2nd 3rd 6th 5th).
Ahris21 votesThe thing is, she has no mobility so you can play around that idea.
iLBGAMing7 votesThe thing is, she has no mobility so you can play around that idea.
lol.. You can't be serious right? Any good MF player will know how to abuse the W mobility. She isn't really an ADC who basic attacks someone, she's a caster ADC who just spams her abilities and plays safe.
Ahris22 voteslol.. You can't be serious right? Any good MF player will know how to abuse the W mobility. She isn't really an ADC who basic attacks someone, she's a caster ADC who just spams her abilities and plays safe.
No mobility means champs like J4, Camille, and Taliyah can zone her quite well and can kill her by trapping her.
Penns7 votesif they dont get oneshot by her lul
RankOneUganda7 votesNo mobility means champs like J4, Camille, and Taliyah can zone her quite well and can kill her by trapping her.
poor thing its almost she has 4 other people and a support that can peel for her
now. I don't think mf is op at all. I think other ad carries like tristana are
Nocalex1 votesany assassin + predator... no squishy in the game can kite anymore.
Kimuto1 voteslol.. You can't be serious right? Any good MF player will know how to abuse the W mobility. She isn't really an ADC who basic attacks someone, she's a caster ADC who just spams her abilities and plays safe.
She is kinda busted but alistar support solve that problem. He can just jump on her so mf have to play a lot safer to keep her distance which makes it harder for her to abuse the Q. He also can stop her ult with headbutt or the knock up pretty easily. Well depending on what her support is... might able to prevent that like lulu"s polymorph or jannas ult. speaking from alistar support experience. He isn't play as often as I thought, the new runes like the aftershock is so good on him.
abca9813 votesA ms boost is not mobility. Her ulti is not spammable, she has to position and it can be interrupted. E does almost no damage, it's mostly good for the slow. Q is... well, I guess it is spammable.
LegitBusinessman4 votesA ms boost is not mobility. Her ulti is not spammable, she has to position and it can be interrupted. E does almost no damage, it's mostly good for the slow. Q is... well, I guess it is spammable.
No one cares about E or Q when you can pop a Q for half an adcs health without even having to bounce it off a dead minion for the bonus damage.
Dracocrash12 votescan you show me a video of a MF Q doing half of an adc's hp damage without bouncing off a minion? Sounds like a load of bs, unless the mf is 10/0, in which case any adc would be deadly.
Penns1 votesIf she crits and/or procs duakblade that sounds pretty easy tho
Thefrostyviking1 votesThat means she has to have items and both sides have to be standing on opposite sides just farming......as if everyone doesn't just rush lethality on her x)
And duskblade is at least possible to deny with wards in lane.
Ahri Baka1 votesThe thing is, she has no mobility so you can play around that idea.
Ashe has no mobility too , but she can't do the same as MF , so either MF needs nerfs or Ashe needs buffs.
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Ashe has no mobility too , but she can't do the same as MF , so either MF needs nerfs or Ashe needs buffs.
Ashe has global stun as well as 600 range autos. Her every auto also slows the enemy.
Kythers8 votestfw your jungler never ganks mf and she snowballs
Yara06 votes"low risk"
Immobile adc with an ult that roots her in place for 3 seconds......
yah
MFs winrate is high because she stomps people that underestimate her how about instead of bitching about her being op you actually try to learn what makes her "op" AKA shes not op she just requires you to use your brain. like most "op" champs.
o Recovery o3 votesMore often than not I do see her enemy laner using their brain, but she's a goddamn oppressive fucking champion to play against. I play a lot of Ali, supposedly one of her worst counters and she just pokes down my adc with one q and then continues to widdle them down under tower. And personally, by the time I even reach her to interrupt her ult she's shredded me too - Not something that should be happening as I'm reacting quickly and waiting for her ult because y'all know it's coming. Her problem is not even that she does that, it's that windows in which to react are inconsistent and unreliable. Couple her with a 
support and even if you have the means to stop her damage you yourself have probably been locked down while she continues shredding you. People are not underestimating her so much as expecting a fair trial but are 25% health just because she q+autoed them at level 3.
Yara01 votesIf they are getting hit by mfs q bounce then they arent using their brain mf is easially countered by good positing and managment of your cooldowns. If you cant beat an mf as alistar your doing somthing wrong.
Troll for Trump6 votesThere's "low risk" and then there's low risk.
You honestly think MF is that safe? She's about as safe as Jhin is
VelvetCrotch6 votesthe prob is just her ult and most build her full lethality. she is a really immobile champ.
NekoniClaws5 votesGuys... stop telling plat+ players to 'git gud' "because MF is immobile".
You, as an individual, will not notice a 4% increase in the amount of times MF has beaten you, simply because NO player's individual games can produce and adequate sample size.
As for the issue, yes she is flourishing right now. We have an early-game adc here, whose early-game success is amplified by runes, whose poke is amplified by runes, and who can make exceptional use of Duskblade, a problem item. I would prefer Riot approached this from the lethality and snowball aspects, however, as they tend to be a problem on many champions.
Seenan2 votesGuys... stop telling plat+ players to 'git gud' "because MF is immobile".
You, as an individual, will not notice a 4% increase in the amount of times MF has beaten you, simply because NO player's individual games can produce and adequate sample size.
As for the issue, yes she is flourishing right now. We have an early-game adc here, whose early-game success is amplified by runes, whose poke is amplified by runes, and who can make exceptional use of Duskblade, a problem item. I would prefer Riot approached this from the lethality and snowball aspects, however, as they tend to be a problem on many champions.
MF as an early game adc? Her aoe ult says otherwise. And I'd say her passive and Q are far more stronger mid/late than early.
Somebody Love Me1 votesShe is a lane bully and HAS to snowball early to be relevant after lane. How often are you gonna use the Q bounce out of lane when behind or even?
Ebonbolt1 votesOnly on boards you can see people say that MF is a mid/late game adc and that vayne has a good laning phase.Lovely place.
Thefrostyviking1 votesActually her winrate lategame is at the top 7 , and it goes between top 2 to top 5 before that.
Feathermane4 votesEh, she's cancer but so is everyone else. Remember kids, banning Vayne makes any game 50% more enjoyable for your teammates.
MorgManBasher4 votes"long time ignored problem" MF hasnt been a problem ever since before ardent meta. She is only good right now because ardent is dead and MF is a strong early game champ again with new runes.
MF has been terrible for a long time now and is only starting to be a good pick again.
XeroKimo3 votesLate game shes pretty much an ult bot, she can't really duel anyone really well, and isn't as good as taking out tanks just from how she works, in the case that she is strong right now, I'd want nerfs to late game, I want her early game to be her identity like she always used to be
Busty Demoness3 votesShe loses her MS boost the instant she's hit by anything. So until she gets a Bloodthirster shield it will be knocked out by a rogue caster minion shot. At which point, she has one chance to get it back with activating her W and that implies she isn't burst down before she has a good opening to use it. Her passive gives her an up front burst but reduces her sustained damage as long as she is forced to attack the same target. Her R is an easily avoided skill as long as you have at least one hard CC ready and/or one assassin on her flank.
Daunt2 votesNot really OP as much as how the meta has been suiting her lately. She was pretty irrelevant before preseason but definitely wasn't weak. Although now when everything does a lot of damage due to runes and with the game snowballing easier she's pretty much the perfect pick to do both of those things. She's mostly just a victim of the rune changes.
J5Cld2hgRx2 voteswell, mf has 2nd highest winrates (55%) and Ez has 56% http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics
After that fuc*ing rune change all the adc such as Jinx dropped to 46% from 50%WR and yet Riot decides to give christmas skin for Jinx
Even1 voteswell duh, http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics
After that fuc*ing rune change all the adc such as Jinx dropped to 46% from 50%WR and yet Riot decides to give christmas skin for Jinx
You realize how long it takes to make a skin, it had to be in progress long before that wr drop lul.....
J5Cld2hgRx1 votesso your point is?
What does that have to do with MF being strong?
Even1 votesso your point is?
What does that have to do with MF being strong?
I was just confused why you were getting annoyed at Riot giving Jinx a skin.
J5Cld2hgRx1 votesyeah ik, i was just messing with you lol srry if that made u mad No offense
Jack Garrus2 votesNO! DON'T SAY A WORD ON MY MAIN! RIOT SHOULDN'T KNOW THIS! [sg-shisa]
Ahri Baka2 votesyeah lol , I was Nami , my adc was mf , the enemy jugnler ganked us and a triple kill , the enemies were Ezreal , Teemo supp and a Kha
LegitBusinessman1 votesMF isn't broken. They buffed lethality while taking 9 armor seals that were standard for nearly every champ.
Salron5 votesEvery single bot lane champion got compensatory armor Mf players ran lethality runes too so it all evens out
Captainn Ginyu1 votesi ust played her an dominated her Q hits waaaaaaaaaaay to damn hard
Somebody Love Me1 votesIt's more of a lethality problem than an MF problem to be honest.
Yordle Xayah1 votesStand behind your minions to be safer aga--- oh nvm she took 2/3 of your HP with a single Q bounce.
