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Riot Needs to prevent Passive Trolling

Verdens Ende··4 votes·602 views

Ok I doubt this will ever get passed on to the right people but League is acknowledged in the gamer world for having "the worst" community ever.

I get that people are annoyed by toxic attitudes and (I guess) swearing, but one obvious thing that seems to be ignored in great proportions is passive trolling. Over the last 3yrs this has become a growing trend and exceedingly overlooked or ignored. I have seen friends, passing teammates and even massive TwitchTv feeds proving this is an issue yet, players seem to be punished more for being toxic than they are for this direct attempt to troll other players and it's ruining the game.

I don't want to play with a toxic player any more than the next person but I would rather mute a toxic person then have a game with player who sits on their turret after getting a few kills then throws the game and laugh. Or people who obviously play well, then throw the game to be amused by the frustration of others, people who sit afk until 3min mark is up then intentionally feed for 14mins etc etc. in ranked games, duo's who play to get their friend an S rank abandoning others to die then throw the game after they get the score they want then report "good playing team members" they trolled and harassed in game with emotes and other obvious in game expression.

I would appreciated it if this issue could be addressed and shown a lot more attention There seems to have been leaps and bounds to stop swearing and toxic attitudes but no real progress in this category, yet I'm willing to bet there are more than at least 50k players that have stories who can attest for being trolled from as high up as gold down to far as bronze due to a now overwhelming amount of players preforming this act. I can reference people I actually know personally, to payers I've met on the in game or seeing their recorded feeds to actually document trolling but I know that isn't allowed here.

So I guess I post this in hope that maybe there's a chance Riot will show actual concern about it at some point.

23 Comments

Zelorxon5 votes

Walking straight up into morgana's Q as cait and get killed by 5 people, going nomad's medallion jhin, goung full attack speed without a single ad item on an adc, refusing to build sightstone, refusing to push lanes, refusing to answer calls, refusing to take turrets, recalling during teamfights, not ulting or using spells at all during teamfights, stopping to auto in teamfights, bailing out from won teamfights for no reason, going full tank 0/11/0 kassa top, picking lee support, maxing all spells except heal on soraka, waking into the enemy team to auto them down as janna, picking tryndamere and attempting to "freeze" the lane at lv16 after you didn't farmed for the whole game, stealing buffs from the jungle and then inting them to the enemy team, refusing to build the items i'm telling you to, going to steal my farm early game in the jungle and then coming back to lane with 10% hp and getting killed, ignoring ganks resulting in your jungler's death, squealing "reprot reprot!" in broken english.

Are all "Bad Games™", and if you think otherwise you're just a toxic noob!

Verdens Ende1 votes

This is exactly the type of things I was talking about, I wish more people would share these experiences

Zelorxon2 votes

Yet there are bronzetards that RIGHT NOW are asking me why i don't even try anymore. This has been my life since season 5, every game was either me singlehandedly winning it 1v9 or a loss because my team trolled and the only sane alternative would have been to wait in base for the enemy team to realize that they have already won yet they don't manage to right click the nexus so the game results in a sure loss just 20-30 minutes after.

Verdens Ende1 votes

Stipsteak and ragingstorms na

SirΤeemο2 votes

but why SOME people are toxic? nobody is winning and he is toxic, (except of tarzaned and nb3 .. kappa) when your entire team is feeding in ranked game , you will get mad and it's very logical , people who don't understand this , may not play in ranked games lame excuses like "i play for fun" just penetrates your mind and you wanna punch your screen.

Verdens Ende1 votes

Couldn't agree more. I just had a Darius go 0/8/0 as him and Jax fed Yi and Olaf then Jax just afk'd as Darius continued to feed. Then our "Support" decided to start stealing the CS and killed from ADC and mid saying he was going to carry...

Don't get me wrong, I don't care who carries, but when a support refuses to use even totem wards as the adc and mid are warding as much as they can, then pretty much just starts making sure no one else can at least cs in a different lane... Yea what else do you call that? A misunderstanding? A bad game?

But then of course you'll get all kinds of trolls trying to claim that I'm just "salty" to try and provoke, but I literally saw the same duo the next game and when I called them out in que they dodged.

SirΤeemο1 votes

sometimes i can't even get mad at people who troll or are generally bad . i just accept the fact that i will lose miserably and i can't do nothing .

Verdens Ende1 votes

Can't really say I'm mad, more like exhausted and frustrated. Tired of making it up to final trials to clear the medal tier than getting trolled back down.

Which is why I made this post

BigPeenSenpaiUwU1 votes

As a support main some times you can carry by taking kills from your adc if they are that bad. My goal is always to get my adc fed but when my adc is 0/5/2 I'm gunna start taking kills so I can get my items faster then helping the team more in fights.

Grimspeake2 votes

League players still thinking they are actually toxic lul. Runescape kiddies were more toxic 10 years ago then these self proclaimed victimed hipster league players who keep trying to give league a bad rep

BlackSmither2 votes

That's Right ,,, we need something to kick trolling players from the champion selection if 3 players from the same team vote for that ,,, this is going to mitigate the trolling at least ,,, i just quit a game from the champion selection because of trolling support ( losing 3 points better than 18 ) ,,, so why should we take those idiots actions and losing points ? you should find something for that because reporting is not enough ,,,

BigPeenSenpaiUwU1 votes

I and many others troll in champ select all the time just by saying stupid stuff but a lot of the time it is not carried into game so that is a flaw right there. And for choosing a troll champion for a certain role is, that it is only a "troll pick" until it happens in LCS. Sion/malz/brand/fiddle/gragas [just to name a few] were all "troll picks" support until it was done by the pros and became common.

Nahui1 votes

What you're referring to are extremely individual cases. Getting kills, sitting on their tower, throwing, laughing? What? Never happened to me. People trying to get a good score then throwing? I don't even understand what that really means lol.

They stop swearing because virtual abuse is a growing social issue in the world. The anonymity of the internet allows users to behave and speak in ways that would normally get them in terrible trouble and even arrested. But, without moderation, it'd all be prevalent in League. While in-game trolling is infuriating, it's not potentially emotionally destructive like actual abuse is. And please don't try and make a case for how trolling makes you angry and that's abuse. You can't compare controlling an avatar in game in a non-productive way to behavior linked to suicide.

The world troll has lost its value in League. You should stop using it. People use the word troll for anything that isn't strictly meta and successful. Give up first blood? Troll. Went warrior on Jungle jax? Troll. Accidentally took blue from the mid laner? Troll. Didn't ping mia? Troll.

There are incredibly isolated cases of the trolling you're describing. For the most part its other players incorrectly labeling certain things as troll and then using them improperly in arguments. And it's not always easy to simply label a troll. Jhin building support items as ADC? He's allowed to. That's not trolling, it never can be trolling, there's no case for it to be trolling. You are allowed to build any item in the game on any champion so long as it makes sense in some way. People throwing on purpose? Very rare. For the most part its a person playing poorly, then either getting emotional about it or begin abused for it then becoming emotional which in turn becomes even worse gameplay wise. Suddenly, to everyone, that person is inting. Usually not the case.

Surprisingly, most of us that wait 5-10 minutes for a game to start realize that these are 20-45 minutes of our finite life that we are spending to do something. Most of us aren't trying to throw. The point of a game is to win. There are some dedicated trolls that play for the purpose of ruining games, and riot gets these people eventually. But most "Trolling" isn't true trolling. It's just a label applied, often to excuse one's own performance in game. I've done it too, I'd know this pointless process.

Verdens Ende

You're attempting to liken the cases I pointed out to the proverbial "crying wolf" which isn't the case even in the least.

And honestly if you cannot identify it would make more sense for you to just move on rather than try to discredit something that you, yourself are claiming to have never experienced which unless you're here to "understand" a perspective of others experience, then you're obviously just here to attempt attack that which you say you don't even understand.

Which again makes no sense.

So why exactly are you here? To claim people are lying about their experiences?

A person who has a bad game is pretty easy to identify vs a person who is emoting laughter after pinging you somewhere then flashing away to allow you to die. And just because you have not had an experience doesn't make it unlikely nor does it make it untrue, so again... Makes a lot more sense for you to just move on if this doesn't apply to you rather than try to stage attacks.

Thanks.

Nahui1 votes

Not claiming lying, I'm claiming you're misunderstanding the intentions and motives of people, quick to label as trolling as depicted above. And I use my own experiences because I've played for 4 years and if such occurances are as common as problematic as you've claimed, it's odd that I've never experienced them, so I'm led question this. I may be wrong in that somehow your gameplay completely differs from mine, which is possible.

Anyways, this wasn't an attack post, you seem very hostile for very little reason. First I explained why Riot chose verbal abuse as the trigger vs gameplay. Then I offered my input about what troll is and how it's changed over time. I'm not saying you're not experiencing what you say you are, I'm saying that perhaps you're misreading gameplay and what are honest mistakes, even if repetitive or blatant, could be mistaken as troll to you.

So there's no right or wrong here, there's just perception. You can't just throw up a shroud of "You don't know what I'm experiencing" without considering the possibility that you may be misinterpreting your own gameplay possibly due to emotions or simple misjudgement of scene.

Verdens Ende1 votes

Sorry dude, but when they players themselves "tell me" that is exactly what they're doing after others question their actions as well, I don't think that qualifies as me "misunderstanding" them.

But it does make your comments quite sanctimonious and condescending, fact is, this post obviously wasn't meant for you, your claims of "not having this experience" pretty much speaks for itself.

You've thrown your doubt now please just move on thanks.

Nahui1 votes

Salty little sea turtle.

Verdens Ende1 votes

And this is harassment, which is obviously why you came here in the first place.

Nahui1 votes

You're validating your fragile ego with false statements. Relax a little, this isn't elementary school. It's the internet. Taking notice of your own judgements against other players in-game for the chance that you may be wrong in them is more worth your time than getting flustered over quite literally nothing.

Verdens Ende1 votes

So, a player admitting they are trolling is now me being sensitive and judging others.

Again, why are you here? You seem desperate to prove "something" but it seems you're literally the only one on here making the claim that it's generally just us getting mad.

It's wonderful that you want to disguise that fact but you circle the exact same issue every time.

Nahui1 votes

Not every case of trolling is sensitivity. If a player outright says they're trolling, then sure, believe them. But when you, along with all of the players in LoL call troll on every bad play in the game, then it's sensitivity.

Don't try and take some intellectual high ground. You're making baseless claims at what you believe I'm doing, sticking to this hard-headed philosophy, and ignoring anything else even though I've explicitly stated this wasn't an attack post, well until you made it one in which I did call you a salty sea turtle. Terribly sorry if I smashed your fragile core.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

The main reason toxicity in chat is punished so frequently is because it is easily proven.

Someone decides to start harassing their allies or using hate-speech? The text is retained in a chat log which can be reviewed and referenced as evidence of the behaviour.

Reviewing other behaviours (especially if you wish to automate it) is far more time-consuming and error-prone.

KoggyStyle1 votes

i wouldent say worst, mabye like 5th, has the gaming community even heard of CoD? if not have they lived under a rock?

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