So when will riot address that funneling is currently ruining high elo?

Sabriel·Jan 27, 2020·36 votes·16,532 views

So basically if u have no clue what funneling is its and strat that revolves around master Yi taking both Jungle and mid lane farm turning the game into PvE contest where u cant win. Many players probably already experienced how unfun it is for both sides. The enemy team is playing under the constant pressure knowing that Master is already out scaling you walking everywhere with his gay boy while the other team just doesn't get to have both midlaner and the jungler. Many streamers have already mentioned that topic on Twitter etc. it really is cancer to play against or with this shit every few games, it just comes down to trading lp one way or another. Just let me play the fking game

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BALDG1VEN BOOMERJan 27, 202012 votes

Don’t worry just cc him

DarwinTheoryJan 27, 20201 votes

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Don’t worry just cc him

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Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Well said!!!

I thought Yi SUCKED at High Elo???

FSRERJan 27, 20209 votes

They will try to fix the funneling strat by spreading the EXP amongst camps so that Yi has to clear more before rush ganking and by reducing the lane minion xp junglers get which again is a significant nerf. Will that really fix the issue? I doubt it but I guess we have to wait and see

River SingedJan 27, 20202 votes

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They will try to fix the funneling strat by spreading the EXP amongst camps so that Yi has to clear more before rush ganking and by reducing the lane minion xp junglers get which again is a significant nerf. Will that really fix the issue? I doubt it but I guess we have to wait and see

This is just going to create a massive problem when some laner rage quits and a jungle has to take over a lane.

RagnaveilJan 27, 20201 votes

Or, they can legit reduce the need of a ton of work, and kill Yi. Then after doing that, rework him into something more healthy so the mains aren't left without a champ for too long.

xelakerJan 27, 20203 votes

or Riot will rework yi to be a horrible dumpster-fire of stats smashed together to create an op or worthless balance situation.

RagnaveilJan 27, 20202 votes

Better than ignoring him. Remember the last time Riot ignored a champ that absolutely needed nerfs? (Tank Vik and Riven's prime)

SweedishGunnerJan 28, 20202 votes

Top lane Viktor was nerfed within a patch and then again after (despite it being the items/runes making him OP). He's then been dogshit until recently where now he's playable.

RagnaveilJan 28, 20201 votes

They ignored him for a good 2, 3 patches before he actually got a nerf.

TheShinxJan 27, 20201 votes

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They will try to fix the funneling strat by spreading the EXP amongst camps so that Yi has to clear more before rush ganking and by reducing the lane minion xp junglers get which again is a significant nerf. Will that really fix the issue? I doubt it but I guess we have to wait and see

I feel like I seen this before. Like at the middle or beginning of last season. With that specific fix, and it didn't work.

KarfussJan 28, 20202 votes

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by reducing the lane minion xp junglers get

I will happily accept that trade in exchange for non-Smite users getting absolutely zilch from taking Jungle camps. No buffs, no exp, no gold. Nothing.

If you'd QQ about me swooping into your lane to Smite a cannon minion, then you shouldn't be taking my Krugs.

KnKitsuneJan 28, 20201 votes

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They will try to fix the funneling strat by spreading the EXP amongst camps so that Yi has to clear more before rush ganking and by reducing the lane minion xp junglers get which again is a significant nerf. Will that really fix the issue? I doubt it but I guess we have to wait and see

That sounds like going back to square one.

Worst JG WinsJan 27, 20209 votes

Every time JG gets nerfed funneling pops up, it's almost like playing 2 supports instead of a Support and JG is the reason funneling pops up... JG is being buffed next patch and funneling is being nerfed again.

lukaslopez15Jan 27, 20207 votes

Boards: We want more strategy! High damage ruined strategy in this game!

Also boards when they see someone playing a different strategy: Please remove it! They're not playing the game as it's supposed to! Remove it!

The thigh guyJan 27, 202038 votes

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Boards: We want more strategy! High damage ruined strategy in this game!

Also boards when they see someone playing a different strategy: Please remove it! They're not playing the game as it's supposed to! Remove it!

We want more strategy. Yi being fed by default is the opposite of strategy.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERJan 27, 202014 votes

That isn’t a strategy, it’s straight up spiking faster than everyone then proceeding to 1v9 while doing insane damage and being immune to damage.

PeePeePoopPoopJan 28, 20201 votes

sounds like a strategy to me

Hay5eedJan 28, 20202 votes

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Boards: We want more strategy! High damage ruined strategy in this game!

Also boards when they see someone playing a different strategy: Please remove it! They're not playing the game as it's supposed to! Remove it!

But this strategy takes advantage of high damage and on top of that uses Master Yi which is a stat check.

Stat Checks are champions you either win or lose against. There is no engaging counterplay, it's just hoping trying to get more XP and gold than Master Yi does so when it comes time to fight him you can. However, if Master Yi is able to take gold and XP from two lanes instead of one then he is always going to have a level advantage and a gold/item advantage, which means he will win against any match-up.

Voluug13Jan 28, 20201 votes

Stat Checks are champions you either win or lose against.

Is there any other outcome in this game?

Blessed DeathJan 27, 20204 votes

Is Yi weak early game? Could the enemy jungler along with their support invade and bully him out? Totally asking this out of ignorance because I don't jungle.

Are there any early game strats that could be applied so that by the time he comes "online" it's too late?

fatherdariusJan 28, 20201 votes

Is it ever too late for Yi to come online? LOL

Legendary AyachiJan 27, 20204 votes

MasterYi Taric Kayle Lulu Rengar Janna

UF DanJan 27, 20204 votes

Riot said recently that they're looking to shut down funneling specifically so it'll be gone soon dw

DarwinTheoryJan 27, 20204 votes

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Riot said recently that they're looking to shut down funneling specifically so it'll be gone soon dw

Bet you if Funneling involved Yasuo/Lee Sin or Riven they'd leave it alone.

Stróc DúnmharúJan 28, 20204 votes

Simplest solution? Actually, meaningfully nerf Master Yi as he is currently, and change him and how he works. Its pretty much always Yi who is the problem with funneling. The support, and even the lane has changed. Its been Kayle, Lulu, Taric, (and if we're honest, it would probably work with Nami and Yuumi as well) and its been both top and mid lane funneling him. Time to figure out that Master Yi is the problem. He needs some serious change.

XJ99999999999999Jan 27, 20203 votes

they are addressing funneling soon.

RagnaveilJan 27, 202010 votes

You mean do the same exact thing they did last time? No thanks. Just gut Yi and call it a day, ty.

YennJan 27, 20206 votes

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You mean do the same exact thing they did last time? No thanks. Just gut Yi and call it a day, ty.

We have the exact same problem if you replace Yi + Taric with an aggressive ADC (i.e. Kai'sa or Lucian) + Lulu; it's not as strong, but it's still the same idea and same problem. There needs to be a general fix.

RagnaveilJan 27, 20205 votes

I mean with that they are adcs, so they are not like Yi who has: True Damage A passive that creates two fast autos that gets reduced by more autos that can reduce it more with Phantom Hit a Q that can make him untargetable for almost 3 seconds (on single target), and it deals damage and is reduced by auto attacks and R passive. a W that not only heals but grants 80% Damage reduction. A R that grants a good chunk of attack speed, movespeed, the ability to ignore auto slowing of any kind, and has a passive that reduces ability cooldowns on kill or assist.

Do I need to go into detail on how very toxic this is right now?

Z3SIeeperJan 28, 20201 votes

Yeah no champ comes close to Yi when it comes to funneling.

The next best thing is Twitch but Twitch funneling is 10x easier to counter than Yi.

Starcraft243verJan 28, 20201 votes

a Q that can make him untargetable for almost 3 seconds (on single target),

Hum, no, Yi diseapear for 1.05s maximum and his damage reduction from max W is 70%.

Other than that, I agree with your post.

XJ99999999999999Jan 27, 20201 votes

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You mean do the same exact thing they did last time? No thanks. Just gut Yi and call it a day, ty.

that said more harshly. prob to the point you can only take like 1-3 minions every 10 mins lol.

ZertryxJan 28, 20203 votes

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You mean do the same exact thing they did last time? No thanks. Just gut Yi and call it a day, ty.

The problem isnt yi, it's Taric and how good he is at keeping him and his team alive without needing any kinda gold, especially in a meta where burst and damage is so high that ANY amount of invulnerability / hard CC = death to the enemy.

If yi is gutted they will just find a new jungler to abuse with Taric (ive seen it done with twitch as well) Yi isnt a problem alone. there is a reason you dont see any other supports mid and funneling other champs to counter this (because there are a lot of junglers stronger than yi)

RagnaveilJan 28, 20202 votes

No, it is Yi. Any other funnel you can easily beat, but not Yi. Yi's weakness is being bursted down, right? Your support (or the mid) can legit pick Lulu and your top could go Soraka, and you'll have pretty much a comp that removes Yi's weakness.

ZertryxJan 29, 20201 votes

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No, it is Yi. Any other funnel you can easily beat, but not Yi. Yi's weakness is being bursted down, right? Your support (or the mid) can legit pick Lulu and your top could go Soraka, and you'll have pretty much a comp that removes Yi's weakness.

i mean soraka top and lulu mid on the same team would make anyone very hard to be bursted down, id be more scared of an olaf with those 2 supports than a yi as olaf can also ignore CC effects. Taric is still just nuts as a support, and hes super valuable even with 0 gold compared to other supports, his ult alone makes him top tier in this current meta because he makes his whole team unable to be bursted down. i gurentee if taric was the one gutted the funnel strats would go away, if yi is gutted they will just pick new hyper carrys with taric

RagnaveilJan 29, 20202 votes

Well, if Taric gets gutted, we will see who is right.

RyzeReworkJan 27, 20203 votes

Bronze one talking about a strat in masters?

SabrielJan 28, 20202 votes

Great, what does my rank change in this subject? and when you try to point out something like that at least is it actually bronze.

RyzeReworkJan 28, 20201 votes

I mean the point is your talking about a subject for an elo that your not even in lol. It's just irrelevant. Why would you even be upset at something not in your elo at all

SabrielJan 29, 20202 votes

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I mean the point is your talking about a subject for an elo that your not even in lol. It's just irrelevant. Why would you even be upset at something not in your elo at all

I'm at d3-d2 elo i experience it quite a lot so I really don't understand your point

RyzeReworkJan 29, 20201 votes

No your ranked bronze

SabrielJan 29, 20201 votes

Yo buddy better take a close look at my nickname here its Sabriel (EUW) You are checking the wrong server...

PhearBunnyJan 27, 20202 votes

okay lets be real for a second. Why would they delete funneling? Group ques have been controlling the game for a while, all funneling does is make it more obvious. Whats wrong with encouraging coordination in a game that already caters to grouped players? Lets just bite the bullet, and accept that the game should be balanced around high mmr/pro scene, and if you cant adapt to that- oh well, you're a low mmr player, get over it. Stop forcing the game to be balanced around bad, uncoordinated players, it doesnt encourage anyone to get any better. Need evidence? Look at nearly every sub-Diamond laner. They STILL think they dont need to learn macroplay, jungle paths, or assist their jungler. Literally 90% of these people are still under the impression that their lvl4 jungler is supposed to carry their level 7 lane for them. These players are allowed to reach high plat because of stupid balance decisions around low MMR. All these people should be silver at best, they dont understand the game. But...bad balancing and poor choices by Riot allows these players who refuse to change/adapt to reach high plat and sometimes even low diamond if they que hard enough.

Jng AccountJan 27, 202010 votes

What does this has to do with funnelers magically climbing from plat to GM-chall, thus hurting ladder?

accept that the game should be balanced around high mmr

Yes... So... Can we return to Yi being low elo problem and not nearly unbeatable champ even for challangers?

PhearBunnyJan 27, 20202 votes

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What does this has to do with funnelers magically climbing from plat to GM-chall, thus hurting ladder?

Yes... So... Can we return to Yi being low elo problem and not nearly unbeatable champ even for challangers?

only effecting solo quers, a demographic thats alrdy left behind to begin with.

Jng AccountJan 27, 20206 votes

Left behind? How? Except few outliners, majority of changes is made for soloQ.

NøctμrneJan 27, 20202 votes

I got clapped earlier by a taric skarner funnel team, and it was just as bad, we were beating them early on, but come mid game he became unkillable and just started walking on towers to kill us.

e46 FanaticJan 27, 20202 votes

Is there not a way to counterplay this? Riot for years now has made it clear that NO champ truly belongs to specific role so strategies like this are expected and not forbidden (shouldn't be anyways, unless rito wants to start properly classifying champs)... So like while yi and other dude is funneling, doesn't that leave adc alone in lane? There's got to be a downside to the funnel strat people are just too busy complaining and not trying to counter play

Blessed DeathJan 27, 20205 votes

The ADC isn't alone because it isn't the bot lane support that's following him. Taric is picked in the Mid-lane role and allows Yi to take his Mid-lane farm. I believe he also helps Yi clear most of the jungle to help Yi speed through so that he doesn't miss any Mid lane minions. That's how I remember it from last year(or the season before).

BugogJan 29, 20201 votes

In the funnel strat you have taric mid w/melee support item and yi is jungle. You have a standard bot and top lane that the funnelers don't even have to interact with.

Is there counterplay? Yes. The enemy jungler has pressure all over the map. The enemy top and bottom have extra pressure because the yi/taric show mid lane a lot. The strat can be hurt by good counter jungling. The strat gets hurt if you can do a top + jungle invade or bot + jungle invade.

The problem is that the funnel strat is much easier to do than the counter to it. For the strat to work you have to have 2 people that understand the strat to do it. To counter the strat you have to have 5 people that understand how they need to beat it, and for none of them to ever fall behind.

tldr: The skill and coordination necessary to counter the strat is massively disproportionate to the skill and coordination necessary to do the strat.