I honestly don't care what the nerf is at this rate, she is so unbalanced it's an actual joke. her laning phase is good her mid game is good her late game is good her burst is insane her range is insane her mobility is insane her SELF peel is insane her attack speed steroid is insane. I'm getting sick of not banning her and losing solely because tristana solo carried the game after going 1/5 in lane
And A Real Hiero80 votesRemove Jump resets on bombs, make ult a skillshot so it can be evaded.
nm101018 votesJust the E jump reset and I will be happy, it makes her snowballing so obnoxious as she can jump in, win a trade, then decide to finish you off or jump out if there is a gank or something.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER45 votesI’d say remove the reset on kills/assists and leave it on E so that way she actually has something to play around.
That way her resets actually focus on one resource and playing around something, it’s probably the closest thing you’ll get to skill expression on Tristana.
So because of that they can reduce the cool down slightly on her E or give a slight refund if she hits max charge that doesn’t apply on turrets only champions. It’ll also ensure she’s not jumping all over the place and kind of balance out her ultimate use.
Carnicore3 votesHer ultimate can technically be evaded with untargetability since it's a projectile, but I get what you mean. This would probably be a good change, one of Tristana's issues is just how reliable she is.
Real Sexy Yoona7 votesIMO... to balance Tristana
I feel like her ult being a skill shot might be more useful against an invisible talon, eve, rengar etc. I know these are specific scenarios but I feel like her point click ult isn't the biggest problem.
This is really an ADC class problem (The biggest problem imo)
Poppystar6 votes[{quoted}](name=Real Sexy Yoona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n2a7Qv8Y,comment-id=00000005,timestamp=2018-02-11T22:59:57.625+0000)
IMO... to balance Tristana
- "Remove Jump resets on bombs"
- Add mana on Q and reduce attack speed bonus slightly in all ranks.
- Lower Damage on her E
- Reduce a few base stats.
I feel like her ult being a skill shot might be more useful against an invisible talon, eve, rengar etc. I know these are specific scenarios but I feel like her point click ult isn't the biggest problem.
This is really an ADC class problem (The biggest problem imo)
- Make Rapidfire + Statik more expensive
- Nerf Rapidfire + Statik burst damage slightly (I think these items are OP because of how cheap they are not necessarily the damage)
- Make Ninja Tabi favorable towards Melee Champs and less favorable towards Ranged
if you nerf these things about tristana, she will never see the light of day again. trist was shit early last season. she was never first pick. she was never banned. the only reason she became meta was because of the item changes. nerfing trist's kit will destroy her playability if the meta ever shifts away from cheap zeal items. Adding mana to her Q will make her useless because her jump already costs heaps of mana. If you were to try to all in with Q costing mana, then you couldn't w, q, e, and w out. Her jump reset is what makes her kit unique. She has a point and click e and r and her q is a steroid. The jump is the ONLY thing that makes her interesting so removing the reset will make her absolutely braindead boring. Zeal and IE being cheap is the problem. Not tristana.
THE RlVER KlNG45 votesi just don't understand what tristana's weakness is supposed to be
she's the longest range adc in the game barring cait/twitch shenanigans, with a dash and a self-peel spell. she also takes towers fast, has waveclear, can burst, and has an insanely easy to use steroid. her kit is a wet dream for any adc player.
something significant needs to go in my opinion.
50000000000000008 votesI guess her Q is also an issue. Maybe jumping should give her the steroid, and replace Q with something else? This preserves the "daredevil" playstyle as well, while cutting down on safety.
Elohaven7 votesIt's "supposed" to be early game...
hhaavviikk27 votes-3 AD, nerf hammered
Sp33d Zer04 votesEveryone makes this joke, but -3 AD legit dropped vayne's winrate somewhere between 4-5%.
hhaavviikk4 votes[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n2a7Qv8Y,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-02-12T05:16:25.181+0000)
Everyone makes this joke, but -3 AD legit dropped vayne's winrate somewhere between 4-5%.
doesn't mean the nerf actually did anything, it's public perception that matters, riot once put a nerf for a champion in patch notes without actually nerfing the champion, result? win rate of the champion went down, and that is without changing ANYTHING about the champion so clearly people care more about the mere presence of nerfs than how bad the nerfs are
SwiftKitten8823 votesyou know someone else with a jump reset? 
, he has to get lvl 6 AND evolve it to get it (which he wont ever get first so lvl 11 or 16)
not 
...
plus she is immune to cc during the cast animation.
if they coded it as a "channel" it would be ok.. but its just too damn much right now.
same with 
arcane shift.. just code it as a channel instead of cast so it can be interrupted.
Makoodzaka3 votesyou know someone else with a jump reset?
not
plus she is immune to cc during the cast animation.
if they coded it as a "channel" it would be ok.. but its just too damn much right now.
same with
she isn't immune to CC mid-jump if that's what you're saying. ever single game against her with janna i stop her jump with a tornado.
SwiftKitten882 votesshe isn't immune to CC mid-jump if that's what you're saying. ever single game against her with janna i stop her jump with a tornado.
my god people her CAST animation is when she is immune to cc BEFORE she leaves the ground while she is CASTING the jump after she leaves then ground YES you can cc her but like i said unless u have an aoe cc that ignores minion collision. its damn near impossible to do while she is mid flight. and she IS immune to cc while casting it. it needs to ber a CHANNEL, make her immune to cc in the air like every other movement ability in the game except for her's and ez's
Yordle Xayah7 votesI'm getting bored of re-posting this over and over again, but me needing to do it just shows how oblivious The Boards really are, and how repetitive these "discussions" can get.
NineTailedMystic2 votesOr, not everyone sees every thread?
koshkyra14 votesChange her W to instead of resetting on kills refund 40/45/50/55/60% of the CD so we actually have time to react when she gets one kill
Also nerf shiv, rfc, and IE
ankoanko196 votesCan't go either way. If you nerf those 3 crit items Tristana will be the same trash she was in S6. And other crit champs like Xayah or Cait (who already struggles) would be nerfed and the entire reddit would be ADC mains QQ'ing. The first nerf is the better one.
koshkyra4 votesIf champions are only viable by abusing a blatantly overloaded item they shouldnt be allowed to be viable
50ShadesOfÀDC13 votesTop lane main- check Low elo- check Complain about adcs- check The boards starter pack ^
PePsiLemoNN12 votesNerf her Q CD by 0.25s or something
Swarovsko2 voteslmaoo
RainbowIcee11 votesdid we get bored of complaining about 
now? mind you i'm just asking, i know is a troublesome gnome
Steelflame2 votesVayne did get a hit to her ult's AD steriod, a rather big one, so she isn't quite as blatently "Oh I survived to 6? I'm now lategame" as she was.
That, and the meta shifted again a smidge, and there are too many people who can threaten her too much from outside of her effective range.
BarbaJhini9 votesShe got nerfs patches ago and was completely fine, right after all the other ADC were nerfed so she once again became too strong and it will keep happening, if they nerf tristan in 2 seconds everyone will complain about twitch vayne and draven.
Elohaven3 votesOnly Twitch. Vayne's been nerfed and Draven is still in the gutter.
Gear5Luffy8 votesi say make her E like zilean bombs
ChemicalBuster7 votesno
Rathar Dashing3 votescouldn't have said it better myself
ModValeeva5 votesADC Main for 3 seasons (don't let my name fool you) speaking as purely as a player and under no bias considering my role here.
Tristana is my 100% banrate bot. No ADC should have that much in their kit. She is unfair, lets be honest. Off the top of my head the only bag thing about is that she sucks at dealing with waves if she gets pushed under tower early. Thats too much for an ADC, sorry but she needs nerfed in some regard or given a mini rework.
Yordle Xayah5 votesIt's not her kit. It's her items. It's how fast she can get them. It's how much the amount of damage in the game enables her. I'm responsible for a very lengthy conversation last week on these boards about her, and I stand by what I said then:
It's not her kit
Objectively her kit right now worse than what she had in 7.13 when she was the 15th Worst ADC in the game. I'm not making this up. It's the game and items what changed that is enabling her, not the kit itself.
ModValeeva6 votesI compiled a list of each champ and their main kit focus. Tell me how Tristana isnt overloaded.
Ashe - Peel + Range Cait - Range + Seige Draven - Mobility + Burst Ezreal - Mobility + Poke Jhin - Range + Burst Jinx - Peel + Siege Kalista - Mobility (plus special Support interaction) Kog'Maw - Tank Shred + Seige Lucian - Mobility + Burst Miss Fortune - Burst Sivir - Seige + Mobility Twitch - Burst + Stealth Varus - Tank Shred + Peel + Seige (Artillery) Vayne - Tank Shred + Mobility + Peel
Tristana - Seige + Mobility + Peel + Burst + Range
Poppystar4 votes[{quoted}](name=Kayn Mid,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n2a7Qv8Y,comment-id=000f00000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T21:35:52.348+0000)
I compiled a list of each champ and their main kit focus. Tell me how Tristana isnt overloaded.
Ashe - Peel + Range Cait - Range + Seige Draven - Mobility + Burst Ezreal - Mobility + Poke Jhin - Range + Burst Jinx - Peel + Siege Kalista - Mobility (plus special Support interaction) Kog'Maw - Tank Shred + Seige Lucian - Mobility + Burst Miss Fortune - Burst Sivir - Seige + Mobility Twitch - Burst + Stealth Varus - Tank Shred + Peel + Seige (Artillery) Vayne - Tank Shred + Mobility + Peel
Tristana - Seige + Mobility + Peel + Burst + Range
So you just aren't going to give cait mobility? What about cc? Tristana has barely any cc compared to some other adcs. She has a knockback at level 6 and a slow that could cost her her life. Her mobility is unreliable at times compared to ezreal and lucian and cait. Also you completely left out xayah who has an immunity, seige, range, burst, a root, etc etc etc etc. Tristana's problem is her power, which comes from cheap items. IE and zeal items are cheap as hell. She can finish three items much quicker than a tank can. She synergizes insanely well with these items. Her kit was never a problem. She was actually downright garbage tier the beginning of season 7. She only became meta with changes to crit and atk speed items back in midseason.
EDAGASE5 votesI mean early last year no one said anything about her. She only got strong off the item changes
saltran2 votesAnd other adcs nerfs.
no to toxic4 votesCan we just nerf Ezreal?
I honestly don't care what the nerf is at this rate, he is so unbalanced it's an actual joke. his laning phase is good his mid game is good his late game is good his powerspikes are insane his Q range is insane his mobility is insane his SELF peel is insane his pickrate is insane I'm getting sick of playing against him and winning solely cause all the Ezreals in low elo wouldn`t dare try AA anything if they can just do 0 dmg with Q
Elohaven6 votesEzreal's late-game is shit.
Yordle Xayah3 votesEzreal's late-game is shit.
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Poppystar4 votesmake zeal items more expensive again and trist wont be in meta anymore. she was one of the worst adcs until they made ie and zeal items cheaper. Cheaper ie and zeal means she can build her three essential items and shit on everyone early game. Trist and crit go great together. Reduce the price, adcs that rely on other items will be picked again.
chipndip13 votesAnd to think Tristana was already VGU'd.
All they did in Trist's VGU was update her looks and change her E. Everything else is pretty much the same except some "under the hood" changes for how things work in her kit. If Riot's gonna VGU a champion, they need to really go in on them. Trist's kit has too much going for it as a hyper-carry now. I don't see how Riot's going to fix that.
Maple Crusader3 votesJust remove the reset on her W. No adc needs a reset escape ability.
Daddy Ants2 votesV7.3 Rapid Fire Duration increased to 7 seconds from 5.
Revert that or hit her resets.
She got nerfs patches ago and was completely fine, right after all the other ADC were nerfed so she once again became too strong and it will keep happening, if they nerf tristan in 2 seconds everyone will complain about twitch vayne and draven.
Vayne's fine now. Draven is OK for now. Twitch has a nerf incoming.
ankoanko192 votesThe thing is, the buff didnt do anything.. She got op during the summer when they buffed crit items and nerfed Caitlyn.
saltran2 votesNo no, they didn't "nerf" Cait. They murdered her and she had around 45% for months.
Yordle Xayah7 votesHow convenient. You mention her buff in 7.3 but don't seem to care she was the 15th worst ADC in 7.13
Only remembering what's convenient to your post I see... [slayer-jinx-unamused]
jama6552 votesThis is me about twitch tbh
LegitBusinessman2 votesLol I made a post about how her kit negates every inherent weakness of the marksman role and got downvoted to oblivion. You guys are ridiculous.
IALL ARE MUTEDI2 votesTEsting...
TanksOnlyIXC2 votesReading the first couple of comments, I think a lot of people are missing the huge problem and what makes tristana so stupidly broken is that she's an adc with very little to no vulnerability. She has too much mobility to get in and out of fights so that she honestly plays more like a high-range assassin that can quickly jump in for a kill than jump right back out. She might honestly need a re work instead of a nerf, removing some of her mobility abilities and replacing them with something else instead. She has an absurd power spike where as almost anything else against her, she goes from getting her butt kicked to suddenly jumping in and absolutely deleting your health bar at no risk. This isn't what an adc should be able to do, this is what an assassin should do, and the range at which she can do it just makes the whole problem even worse and more frustrating
