Anyone hating Lee and Fizz as much as i do ?

Fizz I hate. Lee I can live with.

Lee sin can be fairly bullied. Don't know what's wrong with him. BUT THAT FIZZ. OH GAD, TAHT W THAT DOES HALF UR HP IN 1 CAST. I CRI EVERTIM. Then his Q damage+Mobility, OUT OF THIS WORLD. THEN THE ULT? An ult that says "you're dead now because, shark."

I literaly think, Fizz should only be useful with his ult. Kind of like zed, but Fizz ult is too much. He doesn't even need it, he can just fish you right out and leave you without any water. Leaving you with a half empty cup... it's sad m8. (troll comment+truthfull comment) The struggle is real my friends.

Lee is a paragon of bad, unhealthy game design.

Fizz is just complete bullshit.

"I want a massive advantage because I know Riot's balancing team would rather nerf supports than actual problems" - Fizz mains.

Both of them need to be disabled until they are fixed. Someone should tell them that mobility is supposed to cost something. ~Uiru

Fizz: As an Orianna main, I can deal with Fizz Orianna creates great counterplay, so it's not like he is completely broken But after buying Fizz, playing 7 games, and winning all 7, I can say that he can be pretty bad If you dont have a really long range poke/cc I lost lane to zyra because her snare wouldn't let me do anything

Lee Sin: His mobility is wretched. the problem with lee sin is he can double q you, w you, and e back to his minions, while you get maybe one ability on him, he get's tons of damage, you get a slow, and he get's a shield for a second. I don't like Lee Sin. I can't think of a good counter to him. Anyone with target abilities maybe? Because trying to skillshot a Lee Sin is like trying to shoot a (eehh, get it.) To be fair his early game is mild, as he can't do too much, but he gets worse later. SO. MUCH. WORSE.

Overall: Fuck Lee Sin, nerf Fizz

lee sin is not even that bad to play against.

at least I can dodge lee's Q Can't dodge fizz ez mode no skill QW ult E you're dead. I dont find either fun to play with or against. So easy so low skill floor.

Both are hated by almost all of the playerbase except for their mains and the people who only watch LCS. What they have in common is being flashy and overloaded.

Love to play them, hate to play against them.

I hated both for the longest time. Back in season three ahri, zed, and fizz were banned like every game and dominated solo queue. zed got a nerf to his ulti which meant that he was going to be doing less damage with his full combo but got an easier escape, ahri got huge nerfs to all of her kit, and fizz escaped with a really small nerf to his w, like wtf. no surprise the fish is still killing us all, ive hated him for years now. lee has also been a strong contender every season. Really hated him before, after the most recent nerfs ive actually lost my hate for him. fizz can rot in hell though.

I hate them both, but there is a key difference between them. You can argue about Lee Sin being strong or balanced. You can't argue that about Fizz. He's broken no matter which way you slice it.

Everyone, literally everyone hates them. Riot will do nothing though, as always.

Lee I can see as a bit of a nuisance as his kit seems to have everything from high mobility, a bursty ult that repositions enemies, the ability to viably switch between tank and damage, an ability that grants up to 2 shields and gives Lee 25% life steal and spell vamp (a bit much to put on 1 ability [number wise too]), and the fact that once you know how to use his passive, energy costs are almost a non-factor. That seems like too much to me, his W being the only ability I can complain about in itself. I can tolerate Lee, but I do think more tuning should be done to put him in an ideal position.

Fizz brings up a couple of design questions that I am genuinely hoping someone can answer. I can understand why a move like his Q would deal both magic and physical damage (even though it's still a bit fishy), but I see no particular reason to have it apply both on-hit effects and spell effects other than to have it combo with his W and make Lich Bane a must-buy. It's one of the abilities in the game where flashing before he hits you but after it starts guarantee's you'll take the damage, so this ability can seal someone's fate pretty easily. I've seen plenty of people complain about his lack of counterplay, but I think there are 2 possible changes they could make that seem somewhat fair from my perspective.

1: Fizz's E allows him to do everything from towerdive to negate ultimates that are otherwise unable to be dodged and are balanced around that fact (ie Darius or Zed). Why not change it so that he's still untargetable mid jump, but no longer make him invincible? No longer can he RWQEE you while you're under tower and not get hit by the turret once. Already cast spells/fired turret shots will follow him the same way that a Sigil of Malice will do a 180 if the target goes behind the projectile, but champions with targetted abilities still won't be able to cast them while he's in the air.

2: Fizz's Q applying all affects makes it so that he can get in and out of a situation (along with his E), his only moment of vulnerability through the maneuver being his small hitbox mid Q, before both parties go back to laning as normal. If Fizz's Q no longer applied on-hit effects, he'd have to land a basic attack before trying to leave the situation and get the full damage out. This opens up an extra half second of counterplay to his combo while keeping his damage the same, especially since abilities like his Q and E can put him in range of enemies for his basic attack easily.

TLDR - I can tolerate Lee despite thinking he could be in a better position, but I have a few genuine concerns about Fizz's design and mechanics.

Maybe you haven't looked at the boards in the past months, but yes, YES WE ARE SICK OF THEM.

I hate Zed the most.

You want frustrating? Try playing against mordikaiser. He is incredibly fucked up

Don't care as much about Lee, Fizz on the other hand, I will ban until the end of the earth; it's the only viable counterplay lol (esp since Ryze got gutted). Riot can delete Fizz from the game and I'll still ban him. Hate playing against him, hate playing him.

Lee can be handled, Fizz however...

Passive: Reduced damage from AA and can move through people- really? fizz doesn't need any sort of tankiness and he has enough mobility as it is Q: Dash/damage, applies both spell effects and on-hit effects- once again, really? 100% of his AD + insane amounts of AP as damage? and more mobility W: Damage steroid + passive %missing health damage? wtf riot E: leap/damage/slow/8second that can 1 shot a squishy = balanced R: Ranged slow/assassination/reveal/knockback again= balanced

I find Lee Sin more annoying than Fizz, but they are both quite annoying.

Fizz really frustrating... Lee.. I mean meh..

warwick doesn't have a problem with either of them.

just fizz how the hell he got through testing?

actually ..... ive found a way to give it back to those Fizz.s at least for the first half of the game and literally frustrate the hell out of him...

azir...the answer to every fizz hating player out there..oh boy I can stay at my side all day and just poke and poke and poke and farm and poke and deny his fun in such a way that almost always I get 3 people trying to gank me mid, in wich case I q my soldier to my turret and dash right behind it and lol

yeah,can't outdamage AND kill either of them,they always get one. Blow all your spells or all your health.

Better bring some wicked CC and burst so you can kill those fkers before they can even do anything

honestly , I will cry tears of joy the day they take lee sin and give him the ryze treatment I wanna see that fucking cancerous monk in trash tier next to urgot the game as a whole will be better...

as for fizz...

hes annoying , broken but the only thing id take away is his stupid stupid scaling... as it stands, fizz player can have a HORRIBLE early game, be behind and fizz is like veigar, it doesn't matter, the second he gets one item he starts snowballing out of control

I hate them both, I hate lee sin more but meh both are broken... I had a match the other day against a sin, fizz, teemo , yi , and draven...yeah fun match that one , troll team if I ever saw one

lee isn't that bad since no matter how "op" you think he is he misses the q, he can't fight (unless he's already close to you.) fizz is just a bullshit champion because of his kit.

better nerf supports, they are sooooo unhealthy for the gameplay

I have no issue with Fizz. A lot of people just don't understand how to deal with him so they hate him or they misjudge his power, in fact most of the community misjudges his damage by a significant margin. He has very significant weaknesses that can be exploited as well but also is a very capable champion when used by a decent player.

Lee Sin would be fine, imo, if he didn't do so much damage. Lee Sin does a lot of early/mid game damage and even could do a lot of late game dmg to a single target while having great mobility and presence among other advantages. Even a single Tiamat/Hydra can make it extremely difficult for most champions to duel him if his ult is up, and this doesn't just cause an issue with his dueling potential but ganking, team capability, and raw opportunity.

I think exercising euthanasia on fizz wouldn't be a bad idea.

The only nerf Fizz needs is an increased cooldown on his E. Either that or change his E to something else OTHER than untargetable.

As for Lee SIn... that is still questionable. He has been nerfed so many times that I don't have much of an argument for him.

Lee sin, Fizz, Akali, Pantheon, Vayne are running low levels right now it`s so stressingly ridiculous. Beat them hard in lane and they come back and win anyways. Impossible to end game in time before they hit that easy comeback.

I find Lee Sin more annoying than Fizz. Fizz does overall bad early game giving him a chance to be stopped. Lee just kills people.

Lee is annoying but I can deal with him. Fizz I absolutely hate, even though I like playing him, I absolutely hate seeing him on the enemy team.

Zed is worst