Fiddle support nerfs are fine but they should come with Fiddle jungle buffs.

Decode Talker·Jul 25, 2018·11 votes·4,415 views

Just push my boi back to the jungle were he belongs. Hes quite a strong support and very obnoxious in lane so nerfs are welcome but they should come with fiddle jungle buffs since theres a very easy way to strengh his weak jungling without buffing him as a support:

Drain: manacost decrease from 80/90/100/110/120 to 60/70/80/90/100 (120 manacost in your bread and butter 3 seconds Cd skill is a Yikes)

Drain: healing % increase from 60%/65%/70%/75%/80% to 70%/75%/80%/85%/90% or whatever seems aproppiate.

this together with the PBE nerfs: Dark Wind (E) cost increased from 50/60/70/80/90 to 70/75/80/85/90 magic damage per bounce lowered from 65/85/105/125/145 to 60/80/100/120/140

Are a smart powershift since Fiddle support gets a weaker poke and doesnt benefit from Drain buffs at all while Junglesticks trades a stronger W for a weaker E. thanks for reading :)

15 Comments

Tiniest TurtleJul 25, 20189 votes

I think he just needs a rework. He's a cool character but his Q and E are kinda really cancer.

BlueBilberryJul 25, 20182 votes

They are nothing like cancer. Cancer is a disease - don't confuse something that actually hurts people and their families with something in a game.

y0r1ckJul 25, 20181 votes

I know you know what he meant, but I agree with the sentiment. Cancer is cancer, and annoying is annoying.

Draconian565Jul 25, 20182 votes

To keep him as support with the nerfs and buff his jungle, just make it so his damage to jungle monsters are higher (bonus dmg). Done.

BlueBilberryJul 25, 20181 votes

Ironically, before his last buff on his E, he wasn't too bad in support role.

Before that buff, Fid supports would max the Q first and the E second. But the dual hammer of the mana nerf and the damage nerf proposed on the PBE probably means that he will be forced to do the same again - but to be honest I don't like poor Fiddle's chances. This looks worse than he was before the last two buffs that brought him back into play.

I guess we will have to return to max the Q first (sadly). I guess you can put two notches in the Q but I think a major tool in Fiddle's toolchest is gone when you do that Ultimate dive.

BlueBilberryJul 25, 20182 votes

Looks like Riot just doesn't want people playing support period.

After they nerfed the heck out of tank supports (tank items, the Targon chain, and tank supports generally), they nerfed the enchanters (heals and shields). Then they said - hey, let's make all supports last for a shorter time in the early phase by boosting the cost of support items. Now, they are starting the nerfs on mage supports. (I also note that Tahm has got nailed on the PBE too.)

Soon, support role will just be reduced to just playing survival and try to avoid being the 300 g minion on botlane.

saltranJul 25, 20182 votes

Lmao the victim complex of supps players is even bigger than adcs ego.

BlueBilberryJul 25, 20181 votes

At least, with the introduction of flex queue and autofill, players got to learn the extremes of each. [slayer-jinx-wink]

EasternBladeStarJul 25, 20182 votes

Bullshit. Riot's done nothing but changes to force support role down people's throats and make people play it.

It's been infuriating witnessing the role's skill cap getting chipped down just to attract players who probably won't find it any more interesting regardless.

Daddy AntsJul 25, 20181 votes

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Bullshit. Riot's done nothing but changes to force support role down people's throats and make people play it.

It's been infuriating witnessing the role's skill cap getting chipped down just to attract players who probably won't find it any more interesting regardless.

The skill cap of the support role has always been macro and decision making based.

It isn't a mechanical role, It's all about macro play and good decision making/awareness.

BlueBilberryJul 25, 20181 votes

The jungler and the support have been for the most part the two main sources of macro in the game. Fiddlesticks by his nature is a crowd control support - and an important source of engage and disengage.

The only infuriating part of support has been how the support items have been abused by other roles - sort of like how junglers have been having smite and camp-farming abused by other roles. Consequently, those things that were important and useful parts of jungling and support have been nerfed/diminished because of such off-role abuse. But this sort of thing is completely off-topic for this thread.

EasternBladeStarJul 25, 20181 votes

How the fuck is the role, with the 'playmaker' kits in it, not a mechanical role?

A few kits being simple in nature (although offering options in practical use) does not make the whole role easy in terms of micro-management.

Salvor HardınJul 25, 20181 votes

Fiddle support nerfs are fine but they should come with Fiddle ~~jungle buffs~~ Rework.

Fixed!

Agent CorgiJul 25, 20181 votes

Those are buffs I could appreciate, unfortunately his Kit has to be Reworked given what kind of Meta we're in. Not saying the buffs wouldn't help him in the Jungle, I just don't think it will be enough. [zombie-nunu-bummed]