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Rengar is being completely destroyed...

Deciem··5 votes·655 views

As a long term Rengar main I feel like Riot Devs no longer care about the champion or the community invested in it. To start Rengar has lore with kha and other champions that would make sense of having a skin set, however everytime one of these champs gets a skin Rengar still does not. For instance Kha has gotten 3 skins in the time it took rengar to get one. Secondly it's been forever and after a rework and with how popular he is i think he deserves it. There is a large community asking for this, but we never receive it. Than there is his overall development process. It's the same thing everytime, even with the rework. Change something and then nerf the champion until the people who actually play the champion feel like there champion sucks. You said you would give him the feel and experience of a real assassin, but not even a patch after his release he was pushed and stomped back into being a bruiser. The way he is developed as ruined the feel and experience of what he should be and what he used to be. Rengar has never felt the way you feel when you pick him. You feel like: "I'm gonna snowball early, counter jungle, one-shot a few people and carry this game". What you feel like in-game: "my q doesn't do dmg anymore, bola's cast time ruins the combo, wow im behind time to go full tank and hope that saves me!". Honestly if i want to one shot people and snowball i would pick fizz or talon, but either way Rengar needs attention, the rework sucked and he's not living up to his lore or feeling when you play him. Rengar item 3142

Please help me get riot to do something about this :)

29 Comments

greekvandaL1 votes

you do no dmg? i dont ave a problem killing shit when i play Him toplane. If you jungle rengar its your own fault cause you miss out on his lvl 1-2 powerspike that can beat almost every champion in the game at that stage.

Deciem1 votes

I'm not saying i don't do damage, I do a shit ton of damage, the issue is that the q doesn't feel like it belong on an assassin, one it has low base damage and two what assassin needs to swing for aoe damage? the point of assassin as a role is to have consistent guaranteed burst onto one target, with a q u can miss and an e that doesn't work right that's no where close to being true.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

How is Rengar an Assassin? He has hard CC, little to no in combat mobility, a cleanse, as well as good DPS.

Deciem1 votes

Well for one let me point out the obvious, Rengar is an assassin, even riot defines him as one. He is part of the assassin rework? duhhh

If you go and look at everything Riot said leading up to their rework, the biggest point was that they wanted to give Rengar the sense of being a game changing assassin ( who gives you the experience of said "game changing assassin") while also giving opponents more time to react. Nerfing a champion whos purpose is to one shot you until they have to build bruiser and lose their identity misses all of the intended purposes. And incase you thought he wasnt intended to one shot people it literally says it in the patch notes. Heres a screenshot for you.[]

(https://gyazo.com/e05b472ed4fc210256b7e78336fa65f7)

This clearly states that they want Rengar to be an assassin who isn't so straight forward, which now hes even more straight for ward. You build bruiser and if u fuck up u w and hope to god you live. Other wise u go in pick someone off with double q.

they have the same issues as before except now they ruined is identity and play experience because the champion does what they are ok with it doing???????

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

Your screenshot doesn't work, so there is that. Rengar is unhealthy as an Assassin, becuase he doesn't have the qualities of an Assassin. Jumping into an enemy team, to delete someone, then die instantly, is not a healthy playstyle. As long as that is his "ideal" playstyle, he won't be balanced. Regardless, he works much better as a bruiser with his current kit. He has imitation, a defensive boost, good DPS, and its overall, a healthier playstyle.

Deciem1 votes

Thats the point right there, Riot has stated his kit was going to turn to a non-binary assassin kit and they have pushed him into bruiser. They didn't deliver what they themselves promised. They need to fix this, if he doesn't have the right qualities thats on the DEVS who need to come out and give him those qualities. I'm not the only person who thinks this at all, there are reddit pages dedicated to it, many of the posts on rengarmains is about this. when you play an assassin for years, and they become your favorite champ. Than they change there kit and follow it up with nerfs that completely change their role and identity. How do you think that makes most Rengar mains feel, like they aren't a respected part of the community and that no matter what they say about it riot will keep taking away from that.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

"They need to fix this, if he doesn't have the right qualities thats on the DEVS who need to come out and give him those qualities."

Those qualities are?

"How do you think that makes most Rengar mains feel, like they aren't a respected part of the community and that no matter what they say about it riot will keep taking away from that."

How do you think Malz mains, Karma mains, Morde mains, Aatrox mains, Sejuani mains, Zac mains, Corki mains, Graves mains, Zed mains, Akali mains, etc, feel about having their champions changed, and not liking the changes? Champions change, they evolve over time. You either will be okay with the changes, and keep playing that champ, or not like them, in which case you are free to play something else. Also, of course no one respects Rengar mains. The champion is about Shaco levels of hated, becuase of his unhealthy, "Imma jump on you and kill you as fast as kittenly possible" playstyle.

Deciem1 votes

So because I main Rengar I get no respect or regard about my opinion of (someone i have 1000's of games on) the champion i play. There are many people who play Rengar, and those who play him enough, which I can tell you really don't, will tell you that bruiser isn't healty for him. Just because something works doesn't mean it's healthy, It's still almost 100% pick ban in lcs which means it will almost 100% verified continue to get nerfed more. So eventually assassin doesn't work, bruiser doesn't work, What i am saying is that instead of backshelfing and nerfing the Devs need to really look at the champion and the way he is supposed to work and figure out a way to put that into the game, like they did with karma, zed, graves, corki, akali, aatrox, and are now doing with zac and sej.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

Bruiser didn't work, in the LCS, becuase it was essentially full tank + ridiculous amount of AD from his passive, that turned him into an unkillable machine, that did a pretty decent amount of damage.

Again, how is he supposed to work? Saying, "The Devs should figure it out", isn't helping, its just ranting. Riot can't garner what you want from, "the Devs need to really look at the champion and the way he is supposed to work and figure out a way to put that into the game". What does that mean?

Variks the Loyal1 votes

He does need a skin.

But his kit is fine, I feel, as someone who's played Rengar consistently for a long time.

Then again, I've always preferred Rengar the Fighter to Rengar the Burst Assassin.

Xavanic1 votes

The problem is neither of these are really viable outside of coordinated play anymore

Deciem1 votes

^

Rengooo1 votes

The rework ruined him, it may have fixed a few issues with the old kit but it has created a whole lot of other problems.

Not to mention the rework infuriating 90% of players who ever loved him, his identity has been all but lost now -_-

Deciem1 votes

Right, before Rengar actually felt like a play maker with insane heart racing situations, but now Rengar is neither what he was before nor does he match his intended experience.

Rengooo1 votes

There is actually still some hope for him, the fact that Riot hasn't talked about him in some time means they are avoiding the questions/complaints, which in turn means either they still don't know what to do, or have something in motion that they aren't ready to talk about.

Just hope they make the right call.

Deciem1 votes

The right call in my honest opinion is to rework only keeping current passive, old q, and old ultimate.

and a skin.....

Rengooo1 votes

Couldn't agree more, new ferocity passive is one of the few things the rework got right, old sound effects and VO back would be nice too (for nostalgia reasons).

Though I'm not one to bother about skins much.

SwiftKitten881 votes

get in line...

Deciem1 votes

if you're talking about the skin, I've been in line for a few years now...

SwiftKitten881 votes

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if you're talking about the skin, I've been in line for a few years now...

I'm taking about another league kitty that needs more that a little bit of help...

right now Nidalee and Rengar have about the abysmal same winrate yes, but Nidalee has been there since 6.22, which is a bit longer than Rengar

Rengooo1 votes

Difference is Nida is a matter of numbers tuning, her kit is fine. Rengars kit is fucked.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Difference is Nida is a matter of numbers tuning, her kit is fine. Rengars kit is fucked.

You make a good point there actually. I didn't think of it that way, but that is certainly true

Deciem1 votes

yeah Rengars kit is completely separate from his identity as a champion, kinda dumb tbh

Critmaster Garen1 votes

good, fuck him. lets be real here, he has never not been trash or complete bullshit.

Rengooo1 votes

Adc main alert.

If you had your way assassins would have big whooley mittens instead of weapons.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Adc main alert.

If you had your way assassins would have big whooley mittens instead of weapons.

im not an adc main. thats the funny thing.

his kit still always has been bullshit.

Deciem1 votes

You're right it is bullshit when your main champions kit makes no sense and he is repetitively nerfed.

røckstãr1 votes

HE deserves it

Deciem1 votes

Spread this around more so that we can get some DEVS to look at it :D

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