Zilean W should not be available level 1

Grirn·Oct 7, 2018·38 votes·13,222 views

Zilean's W ability (Reduce cooldown of other abilities by 10 seconds) should not be available level 1 since it is not functional without another ability already available.

36 Comments

JamareeOct 7, 201838 votes

I thought they removed the ability to level it first like years ago.

DeusVultOct 7, 20183 votes

no, that was shen w

BârdOct 8, 201812 votes

They did.

I know for a fact that the last time I played Zilean, it was impossible to level W at level 1.

Maybe they fucked something up with the code, but they definitely intend for Zilean players to be unable to skill that way.

Ok sure but whyOct 8, 20181 votes

And Azir's q and e

FilDaFunkOct 8, 20181 votes

I don't remember it ever being possible to level up first.

BârdOct 7, 201828 votes

...it isn't.

ResolutionOct 8, 20183 votes

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...it isn't.

Go play Zilean. You can still level W first. I don't know what at what point they reverted the update, but for some reason you can still level it first.

Minimac2000Oct 8, 20181 votes

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...it isn't.

it definitely is lol, my friend trolled me and leveled it for me lvl 1 about 2 months ago

Pika FoxOct 7, 201823 votes

Make it available, but on use make it rewind time to refund the skillpoint.

ZackTheWaffleManOct 8, 20181 votes

that would be beautiful, but could the code work?

@Riot

Bronze 6 YasuoOct 7, 20186 votes

Hey what’s wrong with making players have to think a bit?

SlynessOct 7, 201814 votes

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Hey what’s wrong with making players have to think a bit?

you are in league of legends. half of the playerbase don't think.

GlaricionOct 8, 20181 votes

I think it is more about eliminating misclicks and accidents. Someone can easily shift their hands over accidentally (or due to a pet) and level W instead of Q or E.

VoraciousXOct 8, 20185 votes

Wtf. I specifically remember only being able to rank up Q or E level 1 in the past. They must have accidentally removed that string at some point.

DisulfiramOct 7, 20184 votes

Doesn't Azir have this same protection too? IIRC he cannot level his Q or E at level 1.

Sexy Jack RabbitOct 9, 20181 votes

It automatically skills his W for him

Z3SleeperOct 7, 20184 votes

Yeah you can't unless a bug that just surfaced allows you to.

What we should really be asking about is how his Q damage scales:

75 / 115 / 165 / 230 / 300 magic damage... check that again

115 - 75 = +40 damage increase rank 1 to 2 165 - 115 = +50 rank 3 230 - 165 = +65 rank 4 300 - 230 = +70 rank 5

Spank the FoxOct 8, 20182 votes

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Yeah you can't unless a bug that just surfaced allows you to.

What we should really be asking about is how his Q damage scales:

75 / 115 / 165 / 230 / 300 magic damage... check that again

115 - 75 = +40 damage increase rank 1 to 2 165 - 115 = +50 rank 3 230 - 165 = +65 rank 4 300 - 230 = +70 rank 5

It’s his only damage ability, so it needs to make up for the fact.

Z3SleeperOct 8, 20182 votes

The question is moreso why isn't it just +55 or +60 per rank? 75 + 55x4 or 60x4 = 295/315

He's the only champion in the game with this wonky rank damage scaling.

Also while technically his only damage ability, he can cast it twice in a single spell rotation.

Spank the FoxOct 8, 20182 votes

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The question is moreso why isn't it just +55 or +60 per rank? 75 + 55x4 or 60x4 = 295/315

He's the only champion in the game with this wonky rank damage scaling.

Also while technically his only damage ability, he can cast it twice in a single spell rotation.

To make it less oppressive early game but make up for the fact he has one damage ability later in the game.

Warlord RhinarkOct 8, 20182 votes

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Yeah you can't unless a bug that just surfaced allows you to.

What we should really be asking about is how his Q damage scales:

75 / 115 / 165 / 230 / 300 magic damage... check that again

115 - 75 = +40 damage increase rank 1 to 2 165 - 115 = +50 rank 3 230 - 165 = +65 rank 4 300 - 230 = +70 rank 5

It's either:

100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300.

Or:

50 / 100 / 150 / 200 / 250.

Both of these scale in 50, but one is a buff to his early game and the other is just a nerf to his damage overall.

I don't really know what state Zilean is currently in, so I can't say if the former or the ladder is the better option.

3TWarriorOct 9, 20181 votes

is anything wrong with this? it's his only offensive ability after all

TokogawarufOct 7, 20182 votes

My guess is that such mechanics weren´t possible/needed back when Zilean received his mini rework. And that he will remain in this state until he needs/gets a Rework again, since it isnt really a gamebreaking or heavy mechanic to be able to lvl w at lvl 1.

I would welcome such a change, but i also understand their resources lie elsewere.

Neptunia xoxoOct 8, 20182 votes

This post is troll lol

ShadWoooOct 8, 20181 votes

Yes and also count using passive on champions as an assist. Currently it isn't.

GallOct 8, 20181 votes

It's definitely not. Check my op.gg. I main Zilean and Brand and I have never been granted the option to level W at lvl 1. Your friend trolled you by lying.

Nanuk PihoqahiakOct 8, 20181 votes

Just played a game as Zilean the other day and it definitely gave the option at level 1. It's either a glitch specific to certain people, or you're horrendously misinformed.

GallOct 8, 20181 votes

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Just played a game as Zilean the other day and it definitely gave the option at level 1. It's either a glitch specific to certain people, or you're horrendously misinformed.

It's a glitch for you then. I can't be horrendously misinformed as I played a zilean match just a few hours ago today

KFCeytronOct 8, 20181 votes

Just tried in Practice Tool; it allowed me to rank up W as my first spell. I don't know when this behavior was reintroduced, but it was removed quite a while ago, so this isn't a balance issue but rather a bug.

ResolutionOct 8, 20181 votes

I guess it's a glitch, but I can easily reproduce leveling W at level 1. It happens alot.

HexHackersGamingOct 8, 20181 votes

it is

ignyteOct 8, 20181 votes

i say , let him have it at level 1. So when that Zilean gets to lane and finds out his botlane has already given up a double kill because of an invade, he can rewind time back to waiting in que.

hopefully, they would get a new set of teammates

RookPusherOct 8, 20181 votes

Mastery 7 Zilean here telling you the OP wanted a soapbox and did not care about facts.

Nanuk PihoqahiakOct 8, 20181 votes

https://imgur.com/a/4hpGYvy

Just took this a few minutes ago. I didn't see anyone else posting proof, but I personally can put points into Rewind at level 1. Not that it ultimately matters, but there's a lot of back and forth arguing over it.

The DreamwalkerOct 9, 20181 votes

Makes sense since Xayah 's E isn't available till level 2 (because she needs other abilities beforehand).

Emerald FangOct 9, 20181 votes

It's like Azir and Xayah.

The champion kits are SUPER inconsistent. Tooltips are very different, how autoattack canceling/vision/etc. works is super ambiguous and only known through intuition.