Boards›Gameplay

Fizz needs some love

Seeeeeya··4 votes·851 views

Remember that huge nerf fizz got a while back? UrchinStrike.jpg Q - Urchin Strike DAMAGE: 10/40/70/100/130 (+0.6 Ability Power) magic damage ⇒ 10/25/40/55/70 (+0.3 Ability Power) magic damage They halved the ap scaling and basically halved base damage as well. It's kind of annoying completely relying on his ult for kills unless you're hyper fed. In that patch they also removed grievous wounds from his w. Can we nerf his mana costs early game for his e or increase his mana pool? Casting e a few times at early levels will run you out of mana super fast. I think cooldown for ult should be lowered a bit if he is going to depend on it for kills and even then all they really need is a zhonya's to stop it, but I'd really like to see a decreased mana cost for his e at early levels while he has a small mana pool, and increased ap scaling on his q(like maybe .4, I don't expect the .6 scaling that fizz had in his glory days, but he really isn't played very much anymore and I think just a couple small changes could help him out without making him OP.

47 Comments

luckmallory3 votes

All i had to do was read the title to know this was gonna be retarded.

Penns2 votes

Let me get that straight... You think Veigar is balanced and Fizz isnt?

kek

luckmallory1 votes

Fizz is a lot more broken then veigar dude.

And yes i think veigar is balanced

Penns2 votes

And why? Fizz E is the only thing that gets close to being broken but you can play around that too. While Veigar is... a control mage. Thats enough to be better than Fizz in this meta already. I dont typically come up with win rates or something like that, but Veigar has ~53% and is generally listed as #1 mid laner, stat wise, while Fizz had ~48- 49% for years now and is listed as low average mid laner even tho he is "so easy to play" so skill cap isnt an excuse for that... http://champion.gg/champion/Fizz

luckmallory1 votes

You used the win rate argument. Im out Already shows this isn't even worth my time. also while you are at it, go check lee sins win rate as well. also go check gragas and azirs as well.

Penns1 votes

Well you didnt use any argument. Lee and Azir? "even tho Fizz is "so easy to play" so skill cap isnt an excuse for that", but it definetely is an excuse for Lee and Azir since theyre 2 of the hardest champs in League lol. How is Fizz "more broken" than Veigar? Hes a melee assassin that HAS to oneshot or hes dead, Veigar can kite well and still do more burst damage than Fizz, Veigar has reliable CC/ zoning, Veigar has endless free AP from an already strong ability, Veigar punishes AP champs for winning against him Garen,... Fizz is mobile which is annoying but not broken.

luckmallory1 votes

<Fizz has to one shot or he's useless <Veigar is the most one shot reliant champion in the entire game <Maximum kek

I don't care about your argument past that point when you said that.

Also in league today. mobility and being safe is everything. There is a reason in high elo the top two adc's are kalista and vayne.

Yasuo, ekko, fizz, and Zed dominated the split before worlds. There is a reason for that

Penns1 votes

How is Veigar one shot reliant? He is ranged and his oneshot happens while youre stunned for 2.5 seconds anyway, so he doesnt NEED to oneshot you, he just does because balance. Fizz relies on oneshotting because he is melee and has to use his only escape for damage (which you can flash if you didnt flash/ dodge his ult)...

Mobility was everything and those champs dominated. Theres also a reason Morde is nearly permabanned at worlds, Veigar is banned pretty "often" too just like Darius, Ashe/ Jinx, GP and Ori were picked more than once too and juggernauts in general are the most banned champs in soloq. Fizz was picked twice but I doubt he won any of these games (unless he got carried lel).

luckmallory1 votes

Go watch the two games fizz was played at worlds. That's all i have to say.

Also veigar is one shot reliant. More than anyone in the game. If you don't think so you are completely oblivious to this game

Penns1 votes

Ive watched the end of one game Fizz was played in and, as expected, he was totally impactless late game, because this champ simply has no impact at all from minute 30 on unless hes fed hard/ the enemy adc has no BT and no one peels for him. The other game looked like he did indeed get carried lol.

Again, how is he oneshot reliant? Hes a normal control mage that happens to have good burst "late" game too. Thats like saying "TF is oneshot reliant" or "Lux is oneshot reliant"... They do oneshot you but they still have utility after that unlike Fizz.

luckmallory1 votes

I'm done with this conversation, you have to be bronze or silver to actually believe this.

but just wait, you will jump all over the Fizz QQ train when he pops back into popularity in a month. Jumping from bandwagon thread to bandwagon thread.

Also could you please tell me the score of the fizz that "wasn't impactful after 30 min" please. I'm sure everyone here is curious

Penns1 votes

The game I was talking about he finished 2/2, all Ive seen him do late game was oneshot GP (which isnt hard since he has no mobility and thats what Fizz is supposed to do) and die. Once by jumping in and not having enough damage to kill the adc and the other death was to... the unhitable Veigar stun... with the 24/7 untargetable and mobile champ... Kappa

Also I wont ever QQ about Fizz since hes more or less my "main" :] I did try to convice people myself that AP Fizz is broken a while ago when I was the only one playing him but I guess people need to figure those things out themselves. After those nerfs hes fine.

luckmallory1 votes

You aren't taking into account their teams. Look at their teams.

Fizz had a trash team to support him and veigar had a great team. It is a lot easier to be good when your team is controlling all dragons and taking towers for gold advantage and giving you assists. Put veigar on the fizz's team and he gets shit on and fizz is fed. Its still a team game

Penns1 votes

Well put me on the good team and Im challenjour kek, this isnt a valid argument for anyone talking about "elo hell" or ranked in general either. Seriously tho, Fizz was 2/0 at one point in that game, which is already pretty fed in LCS isnt it? He most likely had the most amount of gold in that game but that didnt change anything about the fact that Fizz is close to useless as soon as his enemies get some items as well and teamfights start...

luckmallory1 votes

League being a team game is completely viable lol

Fizz can be 2-0 sure but the rest of his team had 0 KILLS. NOT A SINGLE KILL.

Now look at the other team with 7 kills. Fizz is worse tha nveigar because he can't 1 v 5 considering he is the only relative threat on the team meaning he was hard focused while veigar has multiple threats on his team and 2 other fed champs.

This isn't even an argument. Zed is better than kassadin but if they have the same amount of kills going into team fights and kassadins team is fed and zeds is feeding. Kassadin will do better.

Common sense

Seeeeeya1 votes

{quoted}

Well put me on the good team and Im challenjour kek, this isnt a valid argument for anyone talking about "elo hell" or ranked in general either. Seriously tho, Fizz was 2/0 at one point in that game, which is already pretty fed in LCS isnt it? He most likely had the most amount of gold in that game but that didnt change anything about the fact that Fizz is close to useless as soon as his enemies get some items as well and teamfights start...

Yea when they nerfed his scaling it kinda messes him up and its so easy to dodge his ult with qss or flash or zonyas or whatever. He's dependent on ult now so I feel like it shouldnt be so easy to dodge

Xx420n0sc0p3sxX2 votes

Actually he's gold. Along with this, he's right. As much as it pains me to say it, Veigar was over buffed and is too powerful right now, and statistics back this up. Fizz, while strong, when compared to Veigar, has an escape and a dps. Veigar has utility, range, and safe burst.

"well veigar has counterplay! qss his stun!" That works. Wanna know what else you can qss? Thats right! Fizz fish!.

"Veil completely wrecks veigar!" What if I told you...it wrecks fizz too!

Whether you think Veigar is op or not. He is definitely better than veigar.

luckmallory1 votes

One champion being better than another is 100 percent dependent on the person playing them. So no one can definitively say one champion is absolutely better than another.

luckmallory2 votes

Also fizz was played by westdoor in a game where his team got absolutely stomped yet fizz had every single one of his teams kills.

I will gladly go into a game with fizz and 4 of my buddies vs you as veigar and 4 of your buddies. You go mid and I will go mid

Penns1 votes

Fizz countering Veigar doesnt exactly prove anything, Fizz lost to a Veigar at worlds too didnt he? Simply because Fizz is trash late game and Veigar is a god late game that decides what carry dies by pressing R.

luckmallory2 votes

This is completely irrelevant to a champion being good. Them being good early or late doesnt determine that. By your logic nasus should be in LCS since he is a monster late game as well.

Penns1 votes

But unlike Veigar Nasus isnt really safe early game.

luckmallory1 votes

Neither is veigar, and nasus is pretty safe. Hes 10x harder to kill than veigar is

Fowus1 votes

If you let the enemy laner push the wave to your turret you will be safe

Aaravos1 votes

Fizz actually very strong in late with the right composition. That game ended right after 20 min, didn't even went to the late game.(probably they had maximum 2 items) Fizz lost 1 game against Veigar so it's mean he is trash? C9 won that game because they had the right composition and not just because of Veigar (just Incarnation got the hype for some reason). They won the game with sieging and tower pushing. Fizz is strong and not in the need of any buffs, but in the current meta he is not the best because of the lots of zone control and the lack of heavy initiation. However you can stay play him if you bring some waveclear from somewhere else, and pick a team with strong teamfight potential and initiation. AHQ had none of these things, this is why they are lost so easily. Their team comp. and sinergy between their picks was 0. As for the Fizz and Veigar match up, until Fizz is clever, respect Veigar and pick up this awesome thing summoner 1 he should never lose and should be able to dive Veigar in teamfights. Veigar is probably a little bit overbuffed, but he was unseen is the last 3-4 years. Give players some time to adapt to his playstyle before calling him broken.

Seeeeeya1 votes

{quoted}

Go watch the two games fizz was played at worlds. That's all i have to say.

Also veigar is one shot reliant. More than anyone in the game. If you don't think so you are completely oblivious to this game

Don't bring worlds into this lol. Azir is the 2nd lowest win rate champ atm and they play him at worlds. Those guys are a whole different level than the rest of us :p

Shonjl1 votes

To be fair, you were doing well til this post. Veigar is the definition of one shot. Even Fizz has to land his ult, jump on top of you, Q through you and even then might have to auto to kill you, sure its all in like 1 second but he has to use multiple things to kill you.

Veigar if you are AP can literally do his point and click ult which has indeed one shot almost any AP user. Even people with no AP take nasty damage. I have had times that I played Morg with over 3k hp and literally died to his ult. Yes it can hit that hard. If he has like 800+ ap and you also have like 800+ ap, it will hit several thousand.

Penns2 votes

I never said Veigar cant oneshot, did I? He is a control mage, so even tho he can and probably will oneshot you, he doesnt rely on his damage to be useful, he still has his cage. At least thats my definition of "reliant".

Seeeeeya2 votes

{quoted}

And why? Fizz E is the only thing that gets close to being broken but you can play around that too. While Veigar is... a control mage. Thats enough to be better than Fizz in this meta already. I dont typically come up with win rates or something like that, but Veigar has ~53% and is generally listed as #1 mid laner, stat wise, while Fizz had ~48- 49% for years now and is listed as low average mid laner even tho he is "so easy to play" so skill cap isnt an excuse for that... http://champion.gg/champion/Fizz

Yea I hate when people say his e is broken. It's 100 mana at lvl 2 which is the same as his ult. He can barely afford to use it in lane or he will be oom very quickly

Doctor Jarvis3 votes

Im having trouble posting the picture, but just picture Bender laughing, realizing you were serious, and then laughing harder.

Penns6 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/OvL3qHSMO6uaI/giphy.gif Like that?

Doctor Jarvis1 votes

Exactly like that

Maximum Morde2 votes

Plz no buffs to freelo fish.

Lucky2 votes

he needs some slapping in the face tbh

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

Or we could delete him.

1000angrybees2 votes

if you mean "needs some love" as in 'a swift kick in the dick' then yes, he needs some "love."

WolfChases1 votes

Do you know when is Fizz going to get Love he needs? Once Riot makes him balanced so people don't have any reason for hatin'.

Lugg1 votes

Love? He needs an actual nerf someday. He has been WAY OP ever since release and has never even been close to balanced.

Seeeeeya1 votes

{quoted}

Love? He needs an actual nerf someday. He has been WAY OP ever since release and has never even been close to balanced.

He's had quite a few nerfs and I would be content if they just lowered mana cost of e. Right now his mana cost of e is 100 at lvl 2 which is the same as his ult. And it's really tough to cs with him against ranged champs without using e to be able to back out and you will be oom really fast if you use e a few times

Lugg1 votes

Yes, he has had quite a few nerfs. But EVERY TIME they have just buffed him somewhere else and he is still at the exact same power level. So this last nerf is actually the only one he really has had and it was a very slight nerf.

Shonjl1 votes

To be fair, that is kinda irrelevant. Wanna know another semi common mid laner. Lux. Go see how expensive all her spells are to cast and come back to me.

alfavhunter1 votes

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole, fizz has one of those they should take that away from him as well

Fowus1 votes

He's pretty strong though

Woodsy25751 votes

Shut up, just shut up

stealthfox941 votes

Play Ap support Wukong. It's more fun than playing Fizz.

Tundra Fizz1 votes

I disagree with this thread because Fizz already gets enough love from me ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Shonjl1 votes

I am trying real hard not to just simply troll you, but your only issue is just getting better with Fizz. Trust me when I say he doesn't need buffs in any sense at all. He has clear ways to fight him but he even behind can burst you.

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by Seeeeeya

Just got 30 min timer and lost 10 lp because of a glitch with new champ select. thanks riot
Report a Bug0 comments
3
votes