Guinsoo rageblade

JustBoneBrook·Oct 11, 2014·2 votes·969 views

Change proposition

The prob with this item is that you usally got somethink better than that in every case you want ad / ap take they are way better and more uniform in damage. The build Path is really bad you alwas need at less 875 gold to build one of the 2 item it need .... and really you can build form that : and that from that and that Not to said can be build from this etc But need to be build form this : and this

Proposition: #1 Kep the passif whene low hp it nice but buff it a litle bit not too much. #2 remove the other passif that give atk speed and ap as you atk. #3 Build it from thos item and change the stat to fit it : = New stat : Some AP Some AD Some armor pen Some magic pen Some heal Some low Cooldown (10%) (high cost)

For atk speed you just need thos item : ARE you agreed And sorry for the bad english

26 Comments

JustMyBassCannonOct 13, 20142 votes

The problem with the suggestion is that hybrid penetration is not a balanced idea. Hybrid damage is designed based on ignoring whichever resistance type they build, because half of your damage is the other type. If they're somehow able to build enough of both resistances to negate a hybrid damage champion, they have a massive lead in gold and XP.

JustBoneBrookOct 13, 20141 votes

true but the litle 10 i think armor pen is the good vs every think (you know a adc got 30 magic def and like 40 armor ?)

JustMyBassCannonOct 14, 20141 votes

It doesn't matter where you set the values. Either the flat penetration will be too low to be worthwhile, or it will be too high to be balanced, because champions with hybridized damage output do not need penetration to bypass resistances.

JustBoneBrookOct 14, 20141 votes

than item 3134 item 3142 item 3136 item 3151 and item 3020 got thos prob too ... right?

JustMyBassCannonOct 14, 20141 votes

I was referring to your hybrid penetration suggestion.

The other flat penetration items have a different problem entirely. Flat penetration is basically countered by the same thing as AD/AP; the more Armor/MR you have, the weaker it becomes.

The only difference is that flat ArPen/MPen are significantly weaker at high values. At 30 Resistance, 30 Flat Pen makes it so 100 damage deals 100 damage instead of 77 (about +30% damage increase). At 200 Resistance, 30 Flat Pen makes it so 100 damage deals 37 instead of 33.3 (about +11% damage increase).

At 30 Resistance, increasing the damage by 30 makes 100 deal 100 instead of 77 (same damage increase). At 200 Resistance, increasing the damage by 30 makes 100 deal 43.3 instead of 33.3 (about +30% damage increase).

But, again, that's not the issue of this thread. My previous statement--that the flat hybrid penetration would either be too high to be balanced or too low to be useful--specifically applies to the idea of hybrid penetration, not to flat penetration in general.

JustBoneBrookOct 14, 20141 votes

well i dont know may be but you can build item 3134 and item 3136 in the same game so that a prob? I am not sure it will be THAT hard to balence but may be who know

(really they never touch item 3134 from a long time ago it balenced right?) So i dont got why a item that give bot armor pen should be different.

JustMyBassCannonOct 14, 20141 votes

Let me try to put it 5lacker's way.

Physical damage has 100% Magic Penetration. Magic damage has 100% Physical Penetration.

Hybrid damage is based on the fact that building resistance will only be half as efficient in reducing damage taken, because it will only affect one half of the DPS. They need to build both resistances equally to reduce your total DPS, instead of just Armor or just MR.

Hybrid penetration is unnecessary, and if it were accessible in large enough quantities to be worth obtaining, it would make hybrid damage champions overpowered.

JustBoneBrookOct 14, 20141 votes

Well may be but i am not sure if it would be the case as i said every champ got almot 30 magic def and armor so the armor pen of item 3134 is usefull any way if it low or high. You just dont give it higher stat and you should be ok.

But i agreed the magic damage is not influenced by armor but is by magic def.

But i just wanted to make this item more a AD / AP cast insted or a ... i dont know with would i buy this item or a other change could but just higher the ad stat and reduce the ap stat so it more a item for the ad (becose really you want a item for ap / atk speed there are thos item 3115 and item 3091

JustMyBassCannonOct 14, 20141 votes

Interesting fact; most of the casters who have AD and AP scaling deal mostly magic damage. Katarina, Akali and Nidalee all have hybrid scaling, yet deal mostly magic damage.

The only champions I can name with equal parts physical and magic damage and hybrid scaling abilities are Jax and Skarner. Aside from them, most hybrid damage output champions don't have hybridized scaling (Shyvana, Mundo, Darius), so this dual penetration item doesn't fully benefit them. And does Jax really need more itemization choices?

JustBoneBrookOct 14, 20141 votes

well shyvana do scale in bot ad and ap (q, w in ad and e, r in ap) mundo well he not scale at all in ad or ap ... and Darius dont got ap ratio or damage (ok he got the passif in ap but it more like TRUE and AD) ... so why darius?

JustMyBassCannonOct 15, 20141 votes

Shyvana does have two AD ratios and two AP ratios, but she does not have a spell that has both ratios. That's what is meant by a hybrid ratio/hybridized scaling. Mundo doesn't have high scaling on AD or AP, but he deals equal parts magic and physical damage. Between his Q and W dealing heavy magic, and his E giving a massive AD steroid... And Darius doesn't have AP ratios, but he has hybrid damage output. His passive attaches bonus magic damage to his attacks and damaging abilities.

All three of them don't scale very well with "normal" hybrid items (that is, items that would have both AD and AP), but deal solid hybrid DPS due to their kit design.

JustBoneBrookOct 15, 20141 votes

Well i dont think you can said darius deal bot magic and physical He really just do AD and True form ulti his passif is just a litle buff just to deall more damage with ulti after all.

But you are right shyvana got no magic/physical scale skill... well unless you think that her w can scale in ap becose it aply on speel effect like item 3151 or item 3116

JustMyBassCannonOct 15, 20141 votes

Well i dont think you can said darius deal bot magic and physical

I can, and I will. His passive adds magic damage to every basic attack and damaging spell in his kit. Magic damage that scales based on his AD. Which has been a point of contention about his kit for a lot longer than you'd expect from a mediocre bruiser.

In any case, the point I have made that still stands is that the only hybrid-scaling, hybrid-damage champion to take advantage of an item built from Brutalizer and Guise would be Jax, and Jax does not need a dual penetration item.

JustBoneBrookOct 15, 20141 votes

why not shyvana i agreed she dont scale form bot on any skill but she scale form ad and ap form 1/2 of her skill... (and well akali scale her def from ad so it never lost (like kat hyper ratio on her w and r are ad)

JustMyBassCannonOct 15, 20141 votes

Because Shyvana's scaling on her ratios is actually really weak when you understand how her kit works. Her E's %HP on-hit doesn't have an AP ratio, so AP only benefits the total burst damage of her E and R (about 130% of AP). Her W scales on bonus AD at 20% per second, up to 7 seconds (140%), and then her Q lets her double-strike for 180%-200% of her total AD.

Her kit scales significantly better on AS than AD or AP. Add a bit of CDR, and that'll boost her damage much more than sinking a ton of gold into AD/AP.

Skia AsteriOct 14, 20142 votes

Poppy would love an item with hybrid pen.

JustBoneBrookOct 14, 20142 votes

I know alot of champ would love it ... (for sure the cost must be really high like 3000 to 4000G ? or somethink)

JustBoneBrookOct 11, 20141 votes

JustBoneBrookOct 13, 20141 votes

ZenithEeveeOct 14, 20141 votes

My head hurts..

But in all seriousness, Rage blade (From my knowledge) Is getting removed in S5, so really, what changes are made now wont matter at the end of the year.

JustBoneBrookOct 14, 20141 votes

yah that why the "And sorry for the bad english" plus i think it not already made http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/10/1013-pbe-update.html they remove it from PBE and well i guess it will have some change