What ELO Hell really is and how to get out of it.

Ryu Okami··7 votes·8,697 views
As a Diamond, Silver elo is surprisingly hard.

The link is to another post about a Diamond player having trouble is Silver ELO, he describes his experience and how it differs from his own ELO. He makes some key points that I want to highlight and in this post I will share some of my own experiences as well so that you see both sides of the spectrum. In the first paragraph Slayton(OP) refers to Silver ELO as "inconsistent" referring to teamwork, CS, and objective focus. Now I found this interesting because he didn't say that the players were outright bad, he said "inconsistent". Now to me this says that their were players that were decent as well as the bad ones, he says he was even surprised that some did so well while others probably shouldn't even be in Silver. Why is this important? Well is suggest that skill level might not be the issue for some people climbing out of Silver. So what could the issue be?

 Well lets look in the 3rd paragraph where Slayton states "Its different in Diamond because you can make smart plays and expect people to be on board...", he goes on to explain how in Silver ELO the teamwork is almost non-existent and that most of the time you are stuck having to do all the work to carry a game. So how does the lack of teamwork stop people carrying in low ELO? Shouldn't it just be easy to carry? Well for some it might not be and it isn't necessarily due to skill. As a Plat player I can say that I did have trouble playing through lower ELO's, even Bronze. That's absurd right?!?! Well again skill isn't always to blame.
 Just to give you a short history lesson on my experience in Solo Queue, I started playing ranked in S3 where I mained Jungle and I did well as a ![Khazix](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Khazix.png)  main placing in Silver my first season. However the start of the next season didn't do so well as ![Khazix](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Khazix.png) had just been nerfed and I moved on to tank junglers such as ![Vi](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Vi.png) and ![Sejuani](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Sejuani.png), I got placed in bronze and had a rough time climbing even in games where I pulled off successful ganks and got my team ahead. I didn't start climbing again until I switch to being a mid player and maining ![Ahri](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Ahri.png) where I went from Bronze to Gold that season. This season I had the worst set of placement game winning 1 out of the 10 and placing Bronze 3, went on tilt and ending up being Bronze 5 with 0 points. I literally hit rock bottom. After uninstalling LOL and reinstalling it 2 weeks later I had a goal to get back to gold. I somehow managed to end this season Plat 5 still playing mid while maining ![Viktor](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Viktor.png). 

 Cool, now we know your life story. Still don't see how it has anything to do with ELO Hell. Well if we look at both player, Slayton and myself. He being Diamond and Me being Plat, we both at some point struggled in low ELO and we obviously are both fairly decent at the game in order to be in the ELO we are in now. So how is it that we did struggle? I want to bring us back to me in season 3, my first season I played ![Khazix](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Khazix.png), an assassin, then he got nerfed and I moved to tank junglers. I still did well on these champs but for some reason I couldn't win game like I did on ![Khazix](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Khazix.png) and I only started doing well when I switch to another assassin, that being ![Ahri](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Ahri.png). Season 4 and 5 I had no problem carrying games and climbing out of low ELO with both ![Viktor](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Viktor.png) and![Ahri](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Ahri.png). If we look back at Slayton he talks about how the teams in lower ELO's were too "inconsistent" and a lot of times didn't follow up on plays, coordinate in teamfights, and so on. So with what he is saying I am assuming he plays a role and champ that is dependent on teamwork and coordination, hence why it was his key point in why low ELO is a struggle and how you have to solo carry just about every game. So how do Slayton's and my experience relate? He and I only struggled while trying to play roles/champs that are team oriented, such as tanks, support, and utility champs, but that was our play style at the time so it was what we did to win games. Sadly though it doesn't work in low ELO's.

 In conclusion It really is a struggle to climb low ELO with the mentality that if you do well your team will follow suit, this is why the teamwork style roles won't do as well as a solo carry roles. So with that said you can't actually play "proper" LOL in the sense that you play your role in conjunction with your team. So someone coming from a higher ELO that plays for and with the team will struggle, those who try to carry selfishly by themselves might find it to be freelo. This difference is what causes the debate of "ELO Hell" and why some experience it and others doubt it altogether. So yes ELO Hell does indeed exist but sadly only targets those who play selflessly. So if you feel you are stuck in ELO Hell, stop playing for the team, and start playing for yourself. Pick a role or play style that allows you to carry the game with not much help from your team. If you play support, play an aggressive support and stomp the laning phase for your ADC, DO NOT expect anyone on your team to do so for you. So good luck to everyone in Solo Queue next season and remember, it is up to you to win, do not blame or rely on your teammates until you are in an ELO that understands how the games works. Thank you for the read and I hope this post helped you to better understand the struggle that is Solo Queue.

17 Comments

ZergReap3 votes

As an ADC main I went from high silver and slowly got to diamond 5 over the course of the season. I usually tell people that all ranks up to mid plat ( Plat 2+ is when I really saw a spike in play skill) are all just as hard as the others. This does not mean that there is no difference in skill. For example, a diamond 5 thresh recently flayed Leona's E multiple times, saving me all game; a gold 5 thresh recently had no idea when he should go in on hooks, so went in on any and we fell behind. but plat 5 promos can be as hard as gold 5 promos. For me, lower ranks tend to give up very easy early game in gold 5, but in plat 5 there are a lot of inflated egos because everyone thinks they are gods. Bad mentalities are an issue in most ranks. In silver-gold players don't know how to end games quickly AS A TEAM when they have the lead. As ADC in high plat when my team loses hard early I can never scale. When this happens I do not have a big enough impact on the game by being slightly ahead in lane. The enemy team is smart enough to never give us a window to comeback or stop their pressure resulting in a 25-30 min loss (not always but damn you know when it's happening). Whereas in lower ranks I don't care what happens and I lose early lane phase very often because I play overly aggressive. It doesn't matter to me because I know how to win games in this rank, without hyper carrying with all the kills damage etc. In a way advancing rank is literally like "beating that level". when I go back again on a smurf I know what to expect and how to play. Just some thoughts.

Disulfiram3 votes

I was about to downvote... but in the end upvoted this.

I usually experiment with bots (custom game, 4 beginner bots in my team and 5 intermediate bots in the enemy team), and my experience actually agrees with what you wrote.

Let me explain: in these custom games, I know for sure that the enemy plays way better than my team, and I know for sure that I have to be better than both in order to win.

I find that in these games I have by far the most success playing selfishly: leaving the team to die in order to save myself, hoarding everything I can, etc.

The times I tried playing for my bot team, supporting and defending them, these are the ones I felt struggling the most in order to get a victory (excluding the occasions where I was just trolling for fun, like when I tried Cait jungle - btw, turns out it does not work at all).

If it interests someone, I also found that some champions are easier to win with in these test games compared to others: from easiest to hardest, I think they are bruiser, DPS mage, ADC, assassin, low damage CC tank, low damage CC squishy.

Randomonium2 votes

Really good points. I would agree its much more difficult to carry from the jungle and support roles, especially if you are playing a tank, but its definitely not impossible.

I'd like to get people's opinions on the idea that you won't rise in rank unless you play like someone X levels above your current rank. For example, if you are Silver 5 you won't rise in rank even if you play like a Silver 1 because there is too small a difference in the ability level between ranks. You would need to play at the caliber of a Gold or Plat player to be able to rise consistently in Silver. Another thing I'd like people to comment on is whether this "delta" decreases as you go up in rank. For example, if you're in Bronze maybe you need to play like a Gold to advance but if you're Low Diamond maybe you only need to play like a High Diamond to advance.

123141512311 votes

short answer, you don't. You need to practice hard, duo with someone who takes it just as seriously, try not to tilt your teammates, and possibly cover any inadequacies your team has (wards, cc, vision denial) the fact that you're outnumbered when it comes to making a difference leaves you helpless.

Twiz71 votes

I was a gold player took 3 yrs off came back got placed in silver. And honestly it's nearly impossible to carry people down near bottom of silver and bronze. Almost every game rest of my team has kda of 1.5 or less and i wish i was making this up. You can get them ahead but it won't matter cause it's their first good game so they wander around going for kills instead of objectives and blow leads. Also no matter what you say and how polite you ask they refuse to ward.

I have gotten lanes ahead and it really doesn't do anything they give away the lead or in a lot of cases they have died 3-5 times before 10 min mark.

I agree with what someone else said, you have to duo with someone that is decent or at least that will do objectives and not feed you can't do it solo it's nearly impossible.

Sasogwa1 votes

Just play a carry champion and carry. Playing a champion that requires coordination and a good team are less good. You can still carry with those, but it's harder (in lower elos)

123141512311 votes

say you take fizz/kat/or yas. unless you catch their carries out and remove them from fights altogether. you are simply relying on your team not getting the enemy fed, warding efficiently, and you are praying that they like you enough to cc for you or listen to your calls (which many would prefer to ignore until its too late)

I think its better to pick up their slack than it is to be their best, while they have not much to offer themselves

Sasogwa1 votes

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say you take fizz/kat/or yas. unless you catch their carries out and remove them from fights altogether. you are simply relying on your team not getting the enemy fed, warding efficiently, and you are praying that they like you enough to cc for you or listen to your calls (which many would prefer to ignore until its too late)

I think its better to pick up their slack than it is to be their best, while they have not much to offer themselves

But when you pick up that kind of champion in an elo that is weaker than your actual skill level, you should snowball these lanes. You should be better than the other laner, kill him, roam and get kills, or just farm up to much more than your opponents and basically be stronger. If you're not better than your opponents, you're not really in a situation where you can reliably say "I'm gonna carry". In that case, just train and do games until you're good enough to win those lanes. I'd rather practise in normal games, I see the result when I go into ranked and I'm just better than my MMR and can comfortably carry.

AleksaTeemo1 votes

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But when you pick up that kind of champion in an elo that is weaker than your actual skill level, you should snowball these lanes. You should be better than the other laner, kill him, roam and get kills, or just farm up to much more than your opponents and basically be stronger. If you're not better than your opponents, you're not really in a situation where you can reliably say "I'm gonna carry". In that case, just train and do games until you're good enough to win those lanes. I'd rather practise in normal games, I see the result when I go into ranked and I'm just better than my MMR and can comfortably carry.

Even if you do not stomp your lane , you can still carry via taking objectives.

3tyson1 votes

Isnt vi pretty good for stomping ?

Ryu Okami1 votes

In season 3 she was being built pretty tanky, maybe 1 damage item.

3tyson1 votes

I think thats still the same i stil feel like if she gets ahead she pretty much stomps everything

Great Ozymandius1 votes

But in season 3 she did insane damage while still building tanky. That's why they nerfed her damage so she now requires building damage to do damage.

Croanin1 votes

The reason why Wukong is called freelo is because of his insane damage scaling while having a great teamfight ultimate.

Got me to Plat.

Great Ozymandius1 votes

It's a different sort of teamfight ultimate than a sejuini ult, however. Wukong can do a lot of damage with his ult and position himself to kill a squishy carry. Sejuani relies on her team to do damage during the very short-lived stun. Also, while wukong's ult is up, enemies will be running away from him to avoid the extra ticks of damage. When enemies come out of the sej ult, they aren't running away from the extra damage.

Also, Wukong invisibility is great for setting up plays without broadcasting them to the enemy.

Fractured Pika1 votes

I'm one of those players that really fit any role (minus top cause I just suck at top champions). I recently made my climb to gold this week from Silver2 with a duo buddy from diamond who was on a smurf for me. For him, and me, it was super hard no to go on tilt by the decision-making of some people (I had to set him straight before he got reported a couple times) -- Horrible baron/dragon calls, never protecting the ADC, picking fights we were going to lose. I always do well with my favorite support, Nami, because I love her kit, even if we ultimately lose the game. I know that I need to protect the ADC and I will give my life up in order to do that. But I sure will the enemy hell before they take me down. I was climbing with her this weekend and Sivir, cause I can solo carry with her best by protecting myself if my team can't do it for me. My duo and I's strat was if I was supporting, he would pick a carry champion -- Kat, Swain, or Fiora -- that way I could support him if my ADC was behind, or not doing so hot. But if I was on ADC, he would pick a support-ish character midlane such as Lulu. It worked well for us. It definitely helps having someone else follow/agree to calls when I make them; if one follows, the others follow. Good luck to everyone else making the last minute climb! I wish you the best!~

Moll1 votes

Low elo is not hard.

I have 4 gold accounts and lets take this account for example. If you look at my history i lose a bunch and win a bunch. Reason you ask? I like to try new things play with friends in rank and i lose a lot.

Then i had 1 week left for gold and i just went from silver 2 to gold practically over night. I just got on my main champions and said im getting gold. It was easy.

Then again I have 4 gold accounts that i basically mastered the art of escaping silver when i want to.

Edit: Oh! i am vary selfish when it comes to carrying. I take everything.

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