"I'm in Gold but I have Bronze MMR so I deserve Gold after placements :///"
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Yea... These people don't realize how fast you can climb even if you get placed low.
maybe they don't want to pay for another boosting kappa
HOLY SHIT THE CONSPIRACY. MAYBE RIOT RESETS ELO BECAUSE THEIR THE ONES ELO BOOSTING!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.
THEY BUST THE ELO BOOSTERS THAT DONT WORK FOR THEM TO KEEP THEIR MONOPOLY INTACT! WHERE'S MY TIN FOIL HAT???
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that's elder gnome child's hat you cis scum http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.27371195.1613/fc,550x550,white.u3.jpg
this is the kind of memeing that makes me glad to be alive
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Meanwhile I'm sitting here in Silver 2 getting 30 LP per win [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so much of this.
you may have been gold 5, but ask yourself, what were the ranks of players whom you've been playing with? majorly silver 3?
MINUS 3 OR 4 DIVISIONS FOR NEW SEASON FOR EVERYONE, congrats," gold 5" player got placed with b1/b2 players. "but i was gold" no you weren't you couldn't fall out of gold 5 if you wanted too unless you were playing with bronze 1 players =/
was in gold five
"no you weren't"
pick one.
the thing is, you can be in gold 5, but your MMR is grouping you against silvers for your matches because you simply cant fall out of gold 5 unless your MMR fell into bronze 1, in which case you would fall into silver 1.
this is why players often times stay around 0 LP. because they cant fall out.
they gain like +7 per win, and they lose 15~20LP per loss.
ok I was in gold 4 in theory I should start next season in gold 4-5 at the very least since I wasn't one of those 0 LP kids.
not quite, if you were gold 4 and playing with other gold 4's becuase you were placed and grouped accuratley, due to the reset you should drop down to silver ~ 3 ish, and have to climb again, thats why it was a reset.
myself, i was gold 4, i wasnt accurately placed, and my MMR was somewhere around gold 1 or gold 2. but i was in gold 4, so im curious as to where i will end up after placements.
but what im getting at is it was done using MMR, not LP system. LP had no factor on your new placement.
MMR isnt an accurate gauge of skill. Since in my elo i tend to win virtually every lane. Though, it is a death trap, since no matter how good you are, it can serve as a positive feedback loop that instead of making you climb, denies you of that and demotes you.
It is a double edge sword,that only truly works Plat and above. Gold and Below, it is just there for kicks and giggles. When i have played with higher MMR players, i feel more at home, i get to learn from my mistakes, instead of only seeing others make mistakes. But when i group with low MMR players, b/c i have low MMR only b/c i ruined it thanks to playing with family and friends who i introduced to LoL, I am now punished for being nice to Riot and helping them get monies (they get skins for their mains XD) while i feel so unrewarded for being great in two roles, good in one, alright in another, and bad-ish (not really bad, cause i have won it at times) in one role for my elo.
30? I get 32. My god the LP vein here is rich.
8/10 won placement games shouldnt get me to bronze 3 tho
You're right. That should be bronze 5.
lol +1
8/10 won placement games shouldnt get me to bronze 3 tho
Winning 8/10 games against bronze players < Winning 8/10 against Plat players.
Do you understand why you're in bronze after placements now?
and what if he was playing against silver players? Does he still deserve bronze 3?
why is it all the silver players are getting placed in bronze, gold in silver, plat in gold, etc? was EVERYONE ranked too high?
and what if he was playing against silver players? Does he still deserve bronze 3?
why is it all the silver players are getting placed in bronze, gold in silver, plat in gold, etc? was EVERYONE ranked too high?
If he was playing against silver players (with silver MMR), it would mean that his MMR is at silver (unless he duo queues). If his MMR ended up in silver range at the end of placement, he would be placed in silver. Winning 8/10 and placing in Bronze 3 most likely means he was low silver/high bronze in Season 5. And I was correct (just checked), Shixxy was bronze in Season 5.
Note: having silver players in your games does not mean you're playing against silvers. Silver V is not much higher than Bronze in terms of MMR. At the same time, it is possible for silver players to have bronze MMR as well. If your opponents are a mix of silver and bronze players, you are playing a bronze MMR game. Lastly, if you duo queue with someone with higher MMR, playing at silver MMR is artificially inflated and does not reflect your true MMR.
The reason why people are getting placed in a tier below their last season placements is because of the soft reset. You start out lower by default and you use your placements to climb up. If you were silver V last season, you won't be hitting silver unless you win all your games (maybe) because your starting MMR will mid-bronze. Having a reset means you will not start off where you left off. So unless you were high silver, you're probably not starting off in silver (concept applies to other tiers as well, with exception of diamond players as Plat 2 is the highest you can place).
Additionally everyone should be pushed down a little bit by higher players being bumped down and crowding out the higher elo. Diamond+ takes up the high plat placements and pushes plats down to gold and low plat, golds to silver and low gold, etc. The shift should become smaller as you go down (noticed most at plat+ because gold V is still only like top 1/3 of ladder so not a small % and only a small % is shifted by the cap) in mmr, but if the highest you can be after placements is plat, then most plat players should have to work their way back up as diamond+ players move back up bc when compared to diamond+ players in games the plat players should lose more and their MMR will be lower than the diamond+ players who are now considered the plat standard bc they are capped at plat.
Plat is the highest you can place after placements. Diamond+ players are pushed down to plat and displace the majority of plat players who are pushed to low plat or gold, and then high gold is pushed to low gold, low gold to silver, etc, etc. If you're low silver you should generally expect to be somewhere in bronze after placement. If you're mid/high silver, you should expect to be in low silver. I was gold IV and will probably be somewhere between silver I and silver III after placements depending on how I do. If I go 8/10 and don't drop a game until at least 5 games into placements then I may stay in gold, but I'd need a heavy win streak early on to keep the MMR high enough to scrape by at gold V 0LP for season 6.
I made a thread I assume no one read it is crazy how little people know about how this ranked system works. I finally figured it out but have also been playing since season 2. Just give it a couple years and you will understand.
RIGHT NOW BRONZE IS NOT BRONZE, SILVER IS NOT SILVER, GOLD IS NOT GOLD, PLAT IS NOT PLAT, ETC ETC. EVERYONE DROPS ROUGHLY 1 TIER EVEN WITH GOOD PLACEMENTS. After a few weeks peoples mmr goes up and your placements place you a bit higher. Its all about rank distribution, mmr reset, time, blah blah. Ok so I get this is hard to follow but its not as hard as people make it think.
like just reading half of these comments "i was gold 4 and I wasn't accurately placed" probably not but that has not much effect at this time. All placements did was stop people from dropping 450 mmr and maybe like 400 or 350 or 300. Yes that is significant but everyone still dropped 4-5 divisions.
Last year my friend went from G5 to G3 after placements. You can go up if your MMR is much higher than where you should be which his was
That happened to one of my friends as well. I also saw a lot of people stay right where they were or only drop 1-2 divisions. However, this year I have seen everyone drop almost exactly a tier no matter what their placements were. I am sure after a couple weeks people won't drop as much after placements once players start climbing back to their actual ranks.
Did he do placements right away? My buddy waited a month. I waited a month last year and went 6-4 and went from silver 3 to silver 5. I am guessing waiting will have an affect. I am also theorizing they had people drop a little more this year as solo/duo queue is now dynamic queue and they probably want people to have to climb a little higher as you can party with more players. That's just a guess though.
Did them about a day after the new ranked season started
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It happens like that every year. Someone I knew went from Mid Plat all the way to Mid Silver last year. People who dropped really far down didn't deserve to be in the spot they were in and were placed accordingly because they're MMR was so low
Am I in the right forum? I thought this was Gameplay and not Memes and Games.
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literally look up anyone in your league on lolking. watch their graph drop. look at people in silver 1, most will have been plat. look at people in silver 4 or 5 most were gold.
I'm unranked, and I have an unranked MMR.
Bow before the master race, you scrubs!
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Not if you get boosted then don't play ranked. Then you'll stay in gold
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Once again. If you get boosted you can. If a bronze player pays a diamond player to play for them, they get to gold 5, then the original player plays for a bit, then stops playing before they get demoted, they'll still have a bronze mmr. So yeah you could be in gold with a bronze mmr. lp doesn't decay anymore in gold.
why is everyone saying people are getting placed where they deserved when EVERYONE is getting placed 4 -5 divisions lower than they were at minimum? It's not just a few people, it's literally everyone. How would the logic of 'you were playing with people lower than your actual rank' work with challenger players?
It's called a reset for a reason friend
I don't think I've ever seen a diamond player take more than 30-40 games to make mid/high plat on a fresh account (so low silver mmr bc never played ranked). Not sure what the climb from bronze to gold for a gold player would be but my guess is something like 50-60 games if they are like gold V and need to get a lucky streak to break silver I into gold, less than that if they are mid gold or better.
I was in plat before i finished and i deserve plat and look where i am.
Most low Plats end up in Mid Gold. Worst case is High silver. If your MMR is really high you might even get Plat V but that's pretty lucky
I was hoping for you to check lol. I haven't played any yet so far. I was waiting for Dynamic Queues. Ill pobably be at Gold most likely.
I sorta tanked my MMR but then went on a win streak at the end so idk where I'll end up. High Plat V atm
I was mid plat 4, and usually one of the lowest ranked in a game. Where should I end up?
Well the issue is you can ruin MMR from simply being forced to play with Bronze. I support well, dodges Blitz Hooks as a Supp Janna, help team get quite a descent amount of kills (and i dont even main Janna)... yet ADC cant dodge a hook (when most hooks were aimed at me XD), cant position at all, cant prioritize squish or carries, cant effectively cs even when the enemy Lucian starts to die more (you would think trist would have a higher cs, and still, i have low MMR ^_^).
I was gold 2 and ended up in silver 4
But all is k because I skip tiers and gain like 30 lp for a win
You are 3 days too late with your thread.
It's all complete bullshit. I was in G5 and lost 8 placements to get placed into S2. My MMR was above G5 so I got a buffer, if your MMR is shit you don't get said buffer.
If I'd have not fucked my placements entirely I'd probably have placed higher than last season, because I had good MMR, which is what matters, not your tier/division.