Lissandra's viability in the jungle

Nevoverse··1 votes·2,087 views

So I was looking over all the champions theorizing what champions could have some potential in the jungle. After searching I ended up setting my sights on Lissandra, and after testing it a little it's not viable in the current state but I believe there is so much potential brewing there. Her E allows her to produce ganks similar to that of Rek'Sai, and I know that this begs the question: "if she's like Rek'Sai why wouldn't I just play that?" Simple, Lissandra has a lot of CC within her kit and can lock down a target way harder than Rek'Sai ever could. As well as her ganks and formidable cc, her passive is very strong for teamfighting, counterganking, or contesting an objective if she or a teammate secure a kill. The only thing that keeps Lissandra from being even remotely viable is her early clear, her cooldowns are so unbelievably high early that she is incapable of having a healthy clear. While I see the reluctancy to lower her cooldowns because it could improve her strength in the mid lane, she's not seeing much play there either. I think it's very unfortunate that her Q is on 10-7 CD on it's first 3 levels, that is absurdly high for an ability such as that. There are plenty of champions with wave clear ability on far less CD than that. I think lowering her CDs to a degree that isn't to much would greatly benefit her not just in the mid lane but also her viability within the jungle.

8 Comments

Ionian Vulpix4 votes

I believe she has potential, but it shouldn't be explored.

DiveAlive2 votes

if she didnt have a terrible first clear she'd be elise tier jungler or higher.

The23rdGamer2 votes

Guarenteed CC (Lissandra R) is a very strong tool for ganks. I'm unsure I'd want Lissandra to be promoted to E into bottom lane and R the marksman for a practically guaranteed kill. She might be interesting in the jungle though, but I personally think she's fine being in the middle lane.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

Yeah no. How fun will it be to have a Lissandra point and click 2 second stun you to guarantee a kill bot wthout even having to enter tower range? Rek'Sai can't do that.

If you're looking for viable but off-meta ap junglers try Aurelion Sol. The only pro of his shitty rework was that it buffed his jungling.

Nevoverse1 votes

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Yeah no. How fun will it be to have a Lissandra point and click 2 second stun you to guarantee a kill bot wthout even having to enter tower range? Rek'Sai can't do that.

If you're looking for viable but off-meta ap junglers try Aurelion Sol. The only pro of his shitty rework was that it buffed his jungling.

I get how it can be frustrating to play against but there's other factors than her just how unfun a champ is to play against. While there's a lot going for her in jungle viability, she's not a very strong champion early which can allow junglers that are opportunities to shut her down before she becomes a threat. Dealing with her ganks would be similar to dealing with Rek'Sai's ganks; proper ward placements and keeping a tab on where the jungler is and positioning accordinly can keep her from simply running at you and pressing R. Also unlike Rek'sai's knockup (which last only .5 seconds less than her ult) her R can be Qss'd or cleansed enabling you to render it's most appealing aspect useless.

Hemulen Magi2 votes

I think since Lissandra is already playable in both mid and support, she doesn't really need another position to play in. I don't think I like jungle Lissandra thematically either. She seems more like the type who spends her days in a high tower or commanding her minions on the open battle field, rather than sneaking around through muddy brush or slaying dragons.

Nevoverse2 votes

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I think since Lissandra is already playable in both mid and support, she doesn't really need another position to play in. I don't think I like jungle Lissandra thematically either. She seems more like the type who spends her days in a high tower or commanding her minions on the open battle field, rather than sneaking around through muddy brush or slaying dragons.

I've never heard her go support but that sounds interesting. However I can say that statistically she is seeing hardly any play in mid lane, and when she is her winrate sits below 50%. Decreasing cooldowns benefits those that want to experiment with her in other roles and those that want her to be viable in the mid lane again.

Hemulen Magi2 votes

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She's pretty fun as a tanky catcher support with Aftershock. She plays a bit like Leona. Take transcendence and build item 3110 and you can convert a decent amount of CDR from tank/off-tank and support items into AP. You can also bring font of life to open up the choice to build item 3174 item 3504 if you like. I've started experimenting with it recently and am still getting better with it. Check out my match history.

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