About almost every game I'm in there is at least two tanks on a winning team, whether its mine or the opposite team. I'm trying to wrap my head around how riot keeps letting this be done. Damn tanks are severely overpowered. They build zero or one damage item then go full tank and out damage even the adcs. I hope that its only me and not everyone else feeling the pressure, but I will find it hard to believe. This is the tank meta, and they need to be nerfed.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo7 voteswhat tanks are you seeing in every game ?
cuz right now there really is only about 3-4 viable tanks
this isnt a tank meta... it is a damage meta
ofart1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lP5ZEUau,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-09T00:37:46.833+0000)
what tanks are you seeing in every game ?
cuz right now there really is only about 3-4 viable tanks
this isnt a tank meta... it is a damage meta
Yeah, outside of Mao (not even that good now), Naut and Poppy top, tanks are basically unplayed anywhere at higher ELO.
Also, tanks trade a lot of damage so it's not hard to out damage champions with shorter windows of power. An ADC can't sit there fighting 1v3 and then run away but the DPS is way higher.
Cavemantero1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lP5ZEUau,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-09T00:37:46.833+0000)
what tanks are you seeing in every game ?
cuz right now there really is only about 3-4 viable tanks
this isnt a tank meta... it is a damage meta
Its the towers and damage that's "broken" right now because Riot wanted to appease the losers who wanted faster Call of Duty type games. It used to be you would never dive a tower pre-level 3...even 5 or 6 I think. Now, its just meta.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votesin your last 5 games played i counted a total of 5 tanks in game regardless of the team...
so 10 champs per game.... times 5 games means 50 champs and only 5 of those were tanks so 10% of the champs selected were tanks
Critmaster Garen2 votesim really curious. do people actually believe there is always a tank meta, down there in bronze?
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesthere is no tank meta... it is a damage meta
has been since season 6 with the keystones and damage creep and the mage carry supports and carries in every role
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lP5ZEUau,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-03-09T00:44:15.902+0000)
there is no tank meta... it is a damage meta
has been since season 6 with the keystones and damage creep and the mage carry supports and carries in every role
i know that. but that meme is consistently being spammed by players in lower divisions it seems. its almost as bad as the "adc 2k17" meme. i just wonder if they actually belive tanks are op, or if its just become a running gag every time a bruiser or tank happens to pick up a kill, that some people take too seriously.
Ralanr2 votesNo. There is no real meta in bronze.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesbut mundo is still a tank ...
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Big Lincoln1 votesmundo is a mage
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votessure why not cuz people are trying to get me to change my mind that he isnt a tank
Big Lincoln3 votesthink about it
who else could summon infinite cleavers and fireballs?
nobody but a mage could do such feats
MrHaZeYo1 votesLincoln, give me your perspective.
By Riot standards, is Mundo a tank? He's a Juggernaut who builds sustain to survive to put out his damage, he offeres no other team benefits such as a Warden - Bruam or Vanguard - Mao.
Mundo is tanky, but by Riots new Standards he's a dual threat - Meaning Juggernaut and not a traditional Tank.
LordGeovanni1 votesHe's a Juggernaut
Juggernauts are fighters not tanks. they build exactly the same way but thats because defensive items are so shit that you cant build one or two and survive in melee range but ranged champions build no defensive items and complain if they get instagibed
Ralanr1 votesHe's not but if you want to call Mundo a tank when people use Mundo as an example of tanks doing too much damage, be my guest. It only makes it more difficult for tanks.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshow does he do too much damage with no damage items what so ever in his build?
Ralanr1 votesBecause he's built to do damage by sustaining?
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesSOUNDS LIKE A FUKING TANK DONT IT ?
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Ralanr2 votesTANKS ARE MORE THAN JUST FUKING SURVIVING FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME!
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
MrHaZeYo1 votesNo not really, Riots definition of tank and yours are different. Mundo builds that way to put out more damage, Wardens and Vanguards build that way to help there teams in one way or another.
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesi dont care what riot classifications are... apparently they can change them and change the definitions of them when they want ,
MrHaZeYo1 votesWell, it is their game, you play their game, so maybe you should care?
HolyJewSkee2 votesReading all your comments made me feel different about my original post. I guess as an adc main im just frustrated at the moment. Im not the greatest but im trying really hard to take on this role. I do great when my own team has at least one good tank who keeps me alive, but in recent games its hard to get your team on board to peel for you. I just overreacted.
Thistlemin1 votesDisagree. I also think teams are playing a high risk comp if they try to run without a cc tank like Dignitas tried.
I find it less fun if the game only revovles around no cc assassins that weighs heavily towards 100 to 0 burst champs with wall hop and flash spam kits. There needs to be balance for all. For every obscene Leblanc/Talon/Zed kits there needs to be a kit that can survive and shield it and attempt to lock it down ie. Nautilus/Shen/Maokai.
The no cc 100 to 0 kits need to be balanced by the risk reward it takes to play them. They shouldnt be able to then complain that life is hard and get their way with nerfs to tanks if they want to play Golden Gun James Bond from NES mode.
Tanks already have had a hard life this season with the Lethality nonsense. Stacking HP has traditionally not been a preferred method for Riot designers who usually want to force tanks into specific mitigation. Stacking armor doesnt feel good this season though.
You apparently didnt play in S1-3 when tanks were a lot more fun. They were quite dominant with Gragas and Alistar running around healing with every skill use, it was crazy. General mitigation was much more effective and fights would actually go on for over a minute frequently. Fights now are generally over with and decided in ujder five seconds. And while both versions of teamfights are enjoyable, the short lived team fights arent anywhete near as epic as they used to be.
Damage is much more concentrated and difficult survive from except for late game tanks. But again late game tanks are better off ignored typically than focus fired down. That hasnt changed.
I do agree though that there are some offenders like Darius that are given too much damage built into their ability scaling regardless of itemization and that can be frustrating when other kits dont have the luxury of grabbing one damage item and going all defensive items while still putting up strong damage.
I think thats why Maokais kit is being looked at to leave his cc in tact but reduce his damage output.
Thats probably a better place for some kits. The problem is if tanks arent given damage to combat Riven and Yasuo in lane, etc. it becomes hard for them to justify their pick in lane for a team.
Its not very easy to balance this many kits so I like how there are changes to items so it doesnt become stale for long periods.
Swollwonder1 votesI agree tanks are useful
They're not broken
You can't win a game with just tanks for a reason
LordGeovanni1 votespretty sure there is also an adc and a mage on the winning team too those are the broken ones. the damage they get fed cause damage to get funneled out of tanks and fighters with no compensation. no better cooldowns no stronger cc longer lasting cc.
Calabok1 votesthe OP does not know what a real "Tank" is