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About LeBlanc's R+R

27489363DEL1·Nov 12, 2016·8 votes·1,457 views

Hey!

After having played some games with LeBlanc (about 15), there are a couple of things about her ultimate I think should change.

To begin with, I want to state that this update has really improved LeBlanc’s gameplay and skill requirements, as well as outplay potential, but not all its power has been unlocked for her second part of the ultimate ability.

On the first place I’ll remark that her R+R copy behaves like one of those old and outdated bots that we had before S4-S5 bot intelligence update, so 70% of the time it’s just a wasted ability slot. I would like Riot to grant her more “human-like” movement skill, so it doesn’t look like it’s an actual mimic, and ennemys can really think they’re going to be attacked by the true LB. There is also a problema related to that, which appears when the mimic loses vision of the objective. If that happens (it doesn’t matter if she could first see it and then not, or when casted there was no vision of ennemy champs) the copy just walks for about 3-4 seconds before disappearing, so it does nothing: useless ability again. Maybe designing an algorythm that forced the copy to walk to the nearest lane and farm for some seconds (if no champ is seen) would be an elegant solution.

I’d also like to ask for a change in her R+R (W/E) cast combo. Assuming that the summoned copy has reached an objective, I think it would be a good idea if it just finished the ability cast, so that means landing the W and/or attaching the chains to the objective (if it hasn’t moved or flashed)(the chains would remain attached for the 2 sec duration, but wouldn’t root/deal dmg)

As you can see, it can all be reduced to implement bot-like intelligence to this LeBlanc’s copy/mimic, so the full potential of “the deciever” would be unlocked. I hope you liked my idea and we can all get to a solution. I’m sorry if there are some mistakes but I’m Spanish, not English :/

What do you think?

12 Comments

DanjengNov 12, 20163 votes

I think that a good player mimics the movements of a bot, not a bot imitating a human. So in an actual gank, you could pretend to be a mimic, and your victim thinks so too, until you strike. The direction where mimic goes should be controllable though. Your english is good.

PoskeNov 12, 20161 votes

You do realise her R>QWE clone is already controlable we cant control everything

AthronNov 12, 20161 votes

I think it sounds great!!!! :D

HupsisNov 12, 20161 votes

I personally would love if we could choose the direction the R+R mimic went at first. The mimic would walk in the designated direction for 3 seconds and then started heading for the closest enemy in that direction. If the clone didn't find visible enemies in that direction, it just goes for the closest visible enemy.

The clone would be an amazing decoy tool. Imagine running away from the enemy team and walking in a brush, then create the mimic and command it to continue running away from the enemies (for 3 seconds) while you stay in the brush hiding.

The input command would require an additional mouse button to select the direction (imagine Viktor's E style casting). But it also would make it possible to cancel the spell cast which ultimately would reduce those accidental RR activations people tend to make.

PoskeNov 12, 20161 votes

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Hey!

After having played some games with LeBlanc (about 15), there are a couple of things about her ultimate I think should change.

To begin with, I want to state that this update has really improved LeBlanc’s gameplay and skill requirements, as well as outplay potential, but not all its power has been unlocked for her second part of the ultimate ability.

Le bl gameplay and skill requirements were always fine. She was easly top 3rd hardest champion to fully master alongside with riven and yasuo. She always had one of the most insane outplay potentionals. I assume you want an ability to micro her ultimate with R/Alt. Thing is she can have 3 clones at the same time you cant have her micro 3 clones. (well Riot could make one clone control-able with r and the other 1 with alt but that would be clown fiesta)

On the first place I’ll remark that her R+R copy behaves like one of those old and outdated bots that we had before S4-S5 bot intelligence update, so 70% of the time it’s just a wasted ability slot. I would like Riot to grant her more “human-like” movement skill, so it doesn’t look like it’s an actual mimic, and ennemys can really think they’re going to be attacked by the true LB. There is also a problema related to that, which appears when the mimic loses vision of the objective. If that happens (it doesn’t matter if she could first see it and then not, or when casted there was no vision of ennemy champs) the copy just walks for about 3-4 seconds before disappearing, so it does nothing: useless ability again. Maybe designing an algorythm that forced the copy to walk to the nearest lane and farm for some seconds (if no champ is seen) would be an elegant solution.

Nevermind You just want her clone to be less straightforward. This is outright bad idea. So far I have had an amazing success with her ultimate

I’d also like to ask for a change in her R+R (W/E) cast combo. Assuming that the summoned copy has reached an objective, I think it would be a good idea if it just finished the ability cast, so that means landing the W and/or attaching the chains to the objective (if it hasn’t moved or flashed)(the chains would remain attached for the 2 sec duration, but wouldn’t root/deal dmg)

DAFAK????? it already works this way.

As you can see, it can all be reduced to implement bot-like intelligence to this LeBlanc’s copy/mimic, so the full potential of “the deciever” would be unlocked. I hope you liked my idea and we can all get to a solution. I’m sorry if there are some mistakes but I’m Spanish, not English :/

Yes you want her RR to have Bot inteligence. I SAY NO

What do you think?

No bad idea

27489363DEL1Nov 12, 20161 votes

Hi, I'm sorry if I didn't explain my ideas propperly, but there are some things you misunderstood. In the first place, I don't want to have 3 copies, but to make the single one she can summon a bit more smart.

I agree that she is/was a very hard champion to master, but remember that Riot's claim is to make the game as balanced possible, so there are no champs that easily outplay the vast majority of the others, so even if you have success with her RR, I hope you'll admit it still has some more potential, not necessarily in they way i've said. I would also like to know why you say that making the clone less straightforwards is a bad idea, since I'm not able to get your point.

DAFAK????? it already works this way.

No, it doesn't, W does not fully end (she doesn't get to land) and E is just summoned, it doesn't tie to ennemys.

Hope this brief explanation has clarified some points of my statements!

PoskeNov 13, 20161 votes

I dont want to have just 1 copy );

Oh Now I know what you mean

You have to understand that was the easiest way to code it mostlikely

Making her W not 100% end (Le bl used to have a bug where she would use 2nd distort before reaching they might have used that logic)

The whole point of clone casting abilities is for them to be fake

27489363DEL1Nov 13, 20161 votes

Yeah I get it, and apart from the coding difficulties, I think that if she wants to decieve her ennemies, the copy should trick them, not make them think "what a stupid leblanc, she thought I was gonna flash"

PoskeNov 13, 20161 votes

You are using it wrong PERIOD

Learn how to use it

27489363DEL1Nov 13, 20161 votes

May I know what your comment means? Didn't fully get it :/

PoskeNov 13, 20161 votes

if enemies are thinking "what a stupid le blanc she though i was gonna flash you are using it wrong"

Here are some tips When using RR you want to make sure they dont have vision on you

Good way of using RR is you push in the mid wave with WQ. Then you go farm Raptors Enemy team midlaner pings missing and then you summon your clone at the botlane/toplane entrance You can even make le bl go behind tower

Idealy you summon your clone on edge of ward vision (You should know standard ward spots)

Most spooky le bl ability is Distortion so its ideal if you had used that as your last ability

I can give you more tips if you want later

dakota saturnNov 12, 20161 votes

The RR is best when you don't look at it like a decoy to actually trick people - use it to block skillshots and to tank the tower.

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