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Can Lux finally be acknowledged as a support and tweaked so she's more viable?

Shiftry··1 votes·670 views

It just doesn't make sense that as a mid laner she can't 1 shot a minion wave until she has 2-3 items, and that her shield is only really good for ignite, or stacking with barrier when you're about to die. Due to these weaknesses it's reasonable that she's played support time to time.

I'd like to see minor changes to buff her viability as a support without making her a powerhouse mid. Here's some ideas I came up with

  1. giving allies who run through her E a minor speed buff. If she doesn't use it for poke, she can effectively zone enemies and speed out allies. It wouldn't make her OP mid because she'd have to choose between using it to poke or using it to escape if she misses her binding.

  2. Slightly increasing her auto attack range. She has a long range ult but her auto attack is barely even close to her E range? I don't think this would make her overpowered mid, if anything it would just help her finally clear those darn minion waves she can't even one shot.

  3. Lux's shield is unreliable due to having to hit twice to reach the full value, and flies incredibly slow. This makes her W such a clunky ability. I think it honestly just needs a slight tune up and fly out and back faster to be more reliable and rather than completely drop off the hp, stagger it similar to how locket or tahm's shield does.

  4. Vel'Koz/Brand/Zyra are all viable mid despite not having any support like abilities. Lux has a shield but most adc's die a little inside when they see you want to lock in Lux support. I think Lux's passive should be modified slightly to where her E or Q can proc it, or her allies can proc it as well.

  5. The mana cost on her E is ridiculous. Why though? it can't even 1 shot the wave. I suggest perhaps making it have a lower flat cost on the initial cast, but while it's floating on the ground giving vision, it should slowly drain your mana.

  6. Could we get a recommended build for her support in the store if she's ever tweaked to be more viable support?

Anybody else have any ideas or comments on why these ideas would be terrible or good? Really I wouldn't want too many buffs to hit her and then the nerf bat slams her to oblivion again, but having a 46% winrate support and 51% mid while Brand has a 51% in both is disappointing.

Thanks if you read this all and discuss! Lux item 3041

11 Comments

Winterwings5 votes

I don't think people want to see ANOTHER mid lane mage be shoe-horned into support role and then have the balance team completely ignore their ability to play in mid and re-balance them around support...

They are finally redeeming themselves with Brand changes aimed towards mid lane Brand... Now if only they could bring Zyra's mid potential back...

Ars3lyn1 votes

It good to have different stuff, hence the fact that they are trying to have a starting item for mages to be in bot lane. The reason I know this is caused Riot did speak about this in one of their talks about items in the next season, being able to see mages to play a role in ADC (or APC, however you swing). regardless their goal is to make sure it is entertaining and not really worry about the idea of "meta" so consider this, the fun side, not the toxic side to this

Shiftry1 votes

Lux support win rate vs brand support win rate. They both do the same thing but lux should be more viable support with her shield. Brand has a higher win rate support and he's just getting buffs to mid now.

LitAF3 votes

Lost so many games cause of lux support. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Shiftry1 votes

Yeah because people keep picking her support when she's hardly viable. She just needs minor tweaks to be viable though.

Ars3lyn1 votes

And this one person can't read my comment and think about shit, great job on reading shit that you most likely seem to ahem "not care about" players like you are most likely just wannabe who this should fit like this type of ordeal. I already explain that she is useful as a support in some lane, don't mean you should ALWAYS pick her

Support doesn't equal damage, it the same fucking thing with tanks, Defense does not equal offense, makes no fucking sense to the game. stop trying to make Lux "viable in support" It stupid, your ideas make it broken af and no ADC can carry if they can get some kills, I would rather see a Morgana doing the same shit as lux support and call that good play, as you already know. Lux should be a powerful support. Not saying she should be a support, but it should be her secondary. In other cases, she is just fine. she doesn't need extra range, she doesn't need additional movement speed, she a fucking mage, not an enchantress. So stop suggesting things and go on with your life trying to be a lux support. She is just fine, at least you won't get permaban for simply playing her support unlike the time with singed support or nunu support.

Shiftry1 votes

Sorry I replied to the shorter ones and went to sleep. My main thing though is lux support isn't as viable compared to brand. Numbers don't lie and if you look at her win rate mid and support and then look at brand, brands win rate is more consistent in both lanes while lux is nowhere near the same. Even fiddlesticks as jungle and support is more consistent. People still pick lux support all the time though, and usually the adc dies a little inside. My point is, lots of people play it, why not make it more viable? Granted my ideas aren't the best, but that's why I made the post. I just wanted some discussion and other ideas and feedback, not to be shut down for liking lux and wanting her to be more viable as a support.

Ars3lyn1 votes

She already a Viable Support, but here the thing, when you want to believe that she should be more viable in support, she NOT suppose to be a real support, but her kit alone lets her be in support. In your case, you say to give her E movement speed with the shield on it, which the well-timed shield can be triple the power in total value, so you're telling me that it would be a strong shield with a semi-strong movement speed, this would make her very powerful, almost strong as Janna in the movement spectrum, say you shield your whole team and you have this itemitem 3069 , not just the small movement be given but it would be a big movement when disengaging, however, that not enough when it comes to engaging she can also use that to give a shit ton of movement speed. now here a thing you should already know when it comes to Mages, they sacrifice movement speed for heavy CC and heavy ass damage. This is what mages would be.

Now lets say she comes Viable to mid, say you want that triple shield/movement speed, well her passive needs to go down or needs to be replaced then, her Q based damage would be increased but her ap ratio would be shit (but others can proc it for you), her ult based damage would be reduce same to her AP ratio, and it will not only be giving the passive for them to be proc but they need to be slow or something so they can proc it easier, the range on that ult will mostly be reduced, and her shield value would be increased and her AP ratio would be increased too. Here a thing about supports, they are not supposed to be the "hello I'm the great light, be prepared to be one-shot" most Supports don't even do insane damage unless they go crazy build like Sona, but even then that damage would most likely fall off in team fights as that heal and shield would be less effective in team fights, sure she does A LOT early game, almost one shotting adcs late game, but that doesn't matter late game.

in conclusion, she already a well viable support, but just cause she has a shield don't mean she SHOULD be a support, it just means that she viable indeed, but not viable enough to cover the "mid-lux", the main Lux. Let us take Yasuo, for example, remember when Yasuo would go top 24/7? it caused his ultimate allowing him to not go crit and go tank, this shouldn't be a thing, but it did, he build the most stupid things, frozen mallet and a lot of items that are none crits, items that would like to seem like he does nothing with but his ult makes it happen, which is why his ult was changed, however, he still is played top doesn't mean that it broken AF. So I do understand how you want Lux to be there, trust me I main poppy for once and put her in support, I also got her to mastery 7 by only playing that role as her. I was amazing till they nerf her to the ground making her pretty much useless

Shiftry1 votes

I didn't say her shield should give movement speed, I said it should function overall better and have it's numbers tweaked since it takes 2 seconds to even completely shield someone and then the shield just disappears after 3 seconds. Giving her shield movement speed would be broken. You've also completely ignored everything I've said about brand support being playable in both lanes with no issue but when lux is played support, her win rate is significantly lower despite being a good ardent censer user.

Ars3lyn1 votes

I did know the fact of this, brand support shouldn't be a thing but due to his combos (hence Q stun combo) he can set up those things without harming the minions, his E, on the other hand, would the wave clear part, the one part that can screw him over and mess up his gold income, even though his Q do half the minions hp the burn damage cant kill them unless they're like 3 hp left (i think) you see brand shouldn't be in which they are trying to fix that, the same thing with malzahar, his deadly DoT, long silence, and long fucking ult. But here the kicker, he still being played in support that is more irritating than you think, they did nerf him but overall he still can do it and most likely do a way better job then brand and lux. Lux like I said again don't need movement speed, no scratch that no Mage, in general, shouldn't have mobility in their kit, period. So please stop suggesting to give movement speed to lux, one thing I don't want is a lux ADC, and no I'm not over thinking this, cause ALL ADC have movement speed in their kit to keep distance and chase power, mages have a kit to do tons of damage while keeping distance. The only REASON mages are in bot lane is cause of one main thing, damage and replacing supports and yes that is the main huge reason why they did it. while supports champion has strong shield, movement speed, strong heals, and buffs to help out the whole team, they still do NO damage, which is what is riot really trying to change here. Let us take the example of Janna she is a far range champion that gives a huge shield, movement speed to her, knock up, free AD, slow, and a HUGE circle that give your allies heals and your opponent knockback, downfall as that champion is the fact she too passive, none engaging champion, none rewarding champion, all you got to do is shield mostly anyone and you would most likely win the game, Rn they are nerfing her kit but also make her passive so that she can be played more aggressively and all.

I acknowledge that brand supports, but I fucking hate him in support, same as Malzahar. Cause even though they are impactful to the game, they are not impactful the ADC, they just do too much as a damage, leaves no room for ADC to do enough damage to take the kill, so instead it just a mage bot lane who wants kills to carry the game.

If you think I'm still avoiding something here then forget it, I hate trying to get people to understand what I'm stating here. I thought pointing this small fact out would help you understand what would happen if Lux was more viable support, which I already how it can be possible (changer her passive to proc with others AA but do less damage, her ult do less damage but gives a greater slow, the shield still doing the same as you describe hence shield and movement speed). Now let me ask you this question, would this idea I just give not once but twice now, would make her more viable than before? cause from what I said here this makes her very if riot do exactly that

chipndip11 votes

No

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