@Meddler any news on kassadin?

erin13·Apr 13, 2016·4 votes·2,322 views

i think he is extremely weak now and doesnt do enough damage. Any plans of a potential buff? Also any news about meditation mastery?

24 Comments

RiotMeddlerApr 14, 20168 votes

No current changes planned, though wouldn't be surprised if the item changes affected him noticeably. Overall though Kass is in one of the healthiest spots he's been in at present though.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 14, 20162 votes

sure. 45-47% winrate is healthy. why doesn't he get the next ryze treatment. not a rework. but some changes. he feels pretty awful . i mean why does a champion have to be nerfed so hard to be healthy.

CrazFight Apr 14, 20163 votes

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sure. 45-47% winrate is healthy. why doesn't he get the next ryze treatment. not a rework. but some changes. he feels pretty awful . i mean why does a champion have to be nerfed so hard to be healthy.

He is also a pretty hard champ to play , considering he is a late game champ that requires somewhat the team to play around him, and dynamic queue isn't really the best place for that.. (unless your like 4/5 and even then ...). So he isn't really the most un healthy champ, I still think he is below average though.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 14, 20161 votes

no hes not. hes a stat check spam your abilities champion. hes not hard to play at all.

CrazFight Apr 14, 20164 votes

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no hes not. hes a stat check spam your abilities champion. hes not hard to play at all.

Maybe in lower elo, but as your get higher this is def not the case.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 14, 20163 votes

what makes kassadin hard to play in any way in any elo? the fact hes so bad you have to be a god at him to do anything with him?

CrazFight Apr 14, 20162 votes

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what makes kassadin hard to play in any way in any elo? the fact hes so bad you have to be a god at him to do anything with him?

You can really punish kass early game, which not all low elo will do, but higher elo's will make sure to play around kass and not allow him to jump on squish's and spam abilities on them. Also higher elo has better positioning so they will most likely not put themselves in the position to allow kass to spam stabilizes on them.

Earl EulrichApr 14, 20162 votes

you could at least give him the attackspeed on his passive back...he really should be rewarded for taking the risk of a prolonged melee, not so much for bursting from afar or short thunderlord-trades - that´s the pattern that made him unhealthy to begin with.

JalkanApr 14, 20161 votes

But then he'd have to be built tank.

Earl EulrichApr 14, 20161 votes

no? he just would have to use windows of opportunity to go in instead of jumping whereever he pleases whenever he wants.

DeathBurstApr 14, 20161 votes

That's not what your suggestion would achieve. If you reward him for taking extended fights, then he will build Tank and abuse this reward much more easily than by building glass canon and "taking the risk".

Earl EulrichApr 14, 20161 votes

abuse? feel free to go tank kassadin all you want, but unless the give him max-attack speed for free there´s nothing to abuse because most of his dmg is indead in his scalings, his base-stats are horrible.

besides, if they´d do another full rework and make him a melee-fighter that builds tanky he´d still be a lot more healthy in his patterns than if he just steps over a wall, kills your squishy and is gone again before you have any chance to react.

Jesus is SaviorApr 14, 20161 votes

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No current changes planned, though wouldn't be surprised if the item changes affected him noticeably. Overall though Kass is in one of the healthiest spots he's been in at present though.

Can you revert him to his 99.9% banrate self for a patch?

For nostalgia purposes.

Meep ManApr 14, 20161 votes

Which is funny because his kit is still a little meh. Just to keep his R, his Q is really just used as a filler spell whenever you can use it. The shield is too weak to be important and the damage is too low to really be anything huge. It's just used because it can be. His W is a good bit of his kit. It's like the rubberband sticking things together so I think it's needed. His E is a unique concept, but it's still just meh. A damage cone with a slow. It's just as said, kind of meh. I would really hope that Kassadin's kit becomes entirely based around being a hyper mobile champion instead of trying to be two things: Anti Mage AND Hyper Mobile

muirnApr 15, 20161 votes

I think the biggest problem with Kass right now isn't whether or not he's balanced, it's just that he doesn't feel distinct anymore. There was a time when Kass was the mobility champion, but now, even if he's relatively balanced, practically every other assassin has the same degree of mobility as he does and a fair number outpace him in damage as well. Then for a while, he was billed as the anti-mage assassin, but except for the gimmicky magic shield on his Q and the stack mechanic on his E, there's nothing to really justify that anymore. Honestly, I don't think he needs a ton of work, and he really should be low priority in any case with all the more relevant stuff that I always hear is being worked on. And I certainly don't want a repeat of S3 when he was an insanely broken monster. But something as small as a few number tweaks could give him back his niche as the most mobile champion in the game who brutally punishes bad decision-making on both sides. I don't know, I just want a reason to feel good about playing Kass again, besides nostalgia and still loving his character. After all, he was my first main way back in S2, he got me hooked on the game and I miss him.

LadyRenlyApr 14, 20163 votes

I find that Kassadin is extremely, extremely, extremely god awfully horrendous against anyone with a shred of magic resist, and todays meta is all about tanky damage dealers who build resists like tank ekko or poppy or malphite. All Kassadins damage is rotational burst, once everythings on CD, he's forced to go OOM and rely on his ult so right now he's not the greatest.

With the upcoming AP changes, such as the zhonyas AP nerf, wouldn't surprise me if he become worse off.

Ashen RiderApr 14, 20161 votes

Magic shred doesn't affect Kass a whole lot. His passive doesn't count as MR.

FACE THE WlNDApr 13, 20161 votes

Eh, he does enough damage, just is God awful in this meta, and is a niche counterpick.

Zero Skill TankApr 13, 20161 votes

He will probably get touched a little quite soon, as Catalyst changes affect him very directly, but don't expect Mid Year Mage Nerf to make him stronger.

xBushxApr 13, 20161 votes

Omg no...

New tear and new Morrelo with the Current Athenes passive...Broken KASS.

Think about it tear with -25% MANA cost on all spells and a Morello...Kass rift walk one shots people with enough mana to get out too!!!

I anticipate Kass is Pick ban with no stat changes if these item changes go through.

Cosmic WarperApr 14, 20161 votes

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Omg no...

New tear and new Morrelo with the Current Athenes passive...Broken KASS.

Think about it tear with -25% MANA cost on all spells and a Morello...Kass rift walk one shots people with enough mana to get out too!!!

I anticipate Kass is Pick ban with no stat changes if these item changes go through.

buy 3 items, two of which are slot inefficient, and proceed to have 300 AP from three items only after you stack tear which will take you about 20 minutes since kass can't stack tear quickly until he has rank 2 ult and morello's for cdr...seems legit. He only really needs morello's or RoA. Athene's will be garbage on him, and tear will take too long to stack up and give him a powerspike.

La BelloApr 14, 20161 votes

The only buff he needs is MR per level.

Kass is pretty fine right now otherwise

Ashen RiderApr 14, 20165 votes

He should definitely not be given this. He already has a magic shield, and takes 15% reduced magic damage. That being said, I don't have anything against Kassadin, and in fact love the guy.

LuciferApr 14, 20161 votes

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The only buff he needs is MR per level.

Kass is pretty fine right now otherwise

He doesn't need MR per level. He already has innate resist built into his kit. MR is common enough as it is.