Top alcove covered by alert ping button in mini map

MountdewK·Oct 22, 2019·32 votes·13,217 views

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This is on pbe but before it hits the live server. Hope this doesn't happen.

11 Comments

General Esdeath Oct 22, 201920 votes

Can't wait for Riot to do nothing about this until the middle of the season

EATARIOct 22, 20198 votes

Just moving the ping button slightly up and to the left should do the trick. I support this change.

Z3SIeeperOct 22, 20192 votes

Irrelevant part of the map that’s why (the top alcove).

I wonder if it will actually have a use for anyone.

Crispy0SnakeOct 22, 201928 votes

Regardless, you should be able to ping any part of the map

Z3SIeeperOct 23, 20192 votes

Agreed

ArtumisPrimeOct 23, 20194 votes

How is it irrelevant with the alcoves?

Z3SIeeperOct 23, 20193 votes

I meant the alcoves specifically lmao. They just seem so pointless in a 1v1 lane.

ArtumisPrimeOct 23, 20195 votes

There are some massive, significant uses of them.

Jungle ganks, for one. Crush the wave into the tower, jungler sneeks up behind the alcove. Wave pushes to the center of the lane. Jungler now has a closer, much more advantageous angle with which to gank. You can ward the bush ahead of time to prevent this, as is currently the case in live....but if you go and ward it after the jungler is already in position, you have to choose to either ward the bush, face check the bush and ward the alcove, or burn both yellow trinket wards to cover both..exposing yourself in the river without a control ward.

Top laners who are ahead in lane, and have trade advantage/kill potential can utilize them for the same thing.

Mobile champions can easily use them to juke immobile champions, with the wall in the middle.

It's a place to use a ward and teleport to unnoticed, from yet another angle.

It wouldn't surprise me to see low elo people complain about ranged champions even more with these changes as well. Ranged top vs melee top, it allows for a barrier over which the ranged can harass. I say low elo here because in most cases in higher elo the melee will just avoid it.

These are just off the top of my head. I could probably think of more if I put some effort into it.

Z3SIeeperOct 23, 20194 votes

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Jungle ganks, for one. Crush the wave into the tower, jungler sneeks up behind the alcove. Wave pushes to the center of the lane. Jungler now has a closer, much more advantageous angle with which to gank.

I'm pretty sure the middle bush is both closer and a more advantageous angle. If the enemy walked up to ward it that means they were gonna get pounced on anyway. No real change here.

Top laners who are ahead in lane, and have trade advantage/kill potential can utilize them for the same thing.

Not really, once again if the enemy doesn't have vision to tell if you can make it into the mid bush without them seeing then there's no reason to duck into the alcove (and if they have vision of the backside of that bush, that means they have vision of someone ducking into the alcove).

Mobile champions can easily use them to juke immobile champions, with the wall in the middle.

This one sure I can agree with. But do we really need the lane to be better for mobile champs?

It's a place to use a ward and teleport to unnoticed, from yet another angle.

Eh. Teleport has a unique sound that plays even in FoW and it shows in FoW. If the enemy wouldn't have reacted to a TP to their far bush, they weren't gonna react to any TP behind them anyway. Also once again, the bush is a better angle.

It wouldn't surprise me to see low elo people complain about ranged champions even more with these changes as well. Ranged top vs melee top, it allows for a barrier over which the ranged can harass. I say low elo here because in most cases in higher elo the melee will just avoid it.

Honestly not so much. Ranged champs still need to be in range to CS. Alcove won't make the situation any worse than it already is no worries here.

ArtumisPrimeOct 23, 20193 votes

I'm pretty sure the middle bush is both closer and a more advantageous angle. If the enemy walked up to ward it that means they were gonna get pounced on anyway. No real change here.

Not really, once again if the enemy doesn't have vision to tell if you can make it into the mid bush without them seeing then there's no reason to duck into the alcove (and if they have vision of the backside of that bush, that means they have vision of someone ducking into the alcove).

The brush is closer, yes...but not a better angle. Especially considering it looks like it might be possible to sneak from the back brush to the front brush without being spotted, depending on the position of minions. It will really depend on how the FoW works out.

Eh. Teleport has a unique sound that plays even in FoW and it shows in FoW. If the enemy wouldn't have reacted to a TP to their far bush, they weren't gonna react to any TP behind them anyway. Also once again, the bush is a better angle.

The effects are only shown to you through FoW if you have vision within 500 units of the teleport.

Honestly not so much. Ranged champs still need to be in range to CS. Alcove won't make the situation any worse than it already is no worries here.

This is pure speculation with no real experience behind it. I really have no idea if this will happen or not, but it wouldn't surprise me to see people complain about it.

Z3SIeeperOct 23, 20192 votes

Eh yeah, I agree. All speculation, just seems useless at first glance.