"elo hell isn't real"

You're assuming you can be a better player than your rank indicates?

If you've played 10 games in 6 months, maybe.... But If your real skill is gold 4 and you play 100 games and can't get to gold 4. Then you are doing something that is holding you back. It might be your champion choice, does not work with your teams, maybe your play style doesn't mix well with the champions you pick, maybe you make a few too many mistakes each game which cause you to lose games that you would have won, minus even just 1 fatal error. When I play with my really low skill friend, he makes about 2 mistakes per minute on average that decrease his chances of winning by quite a bit. He doesn't even know he's making those mistakes until I point them out. The ignorance of everyone including myself is boundless. The only thing we know for sure is that it's humanly possible to win 90 percent of your games up to at least plat if you're good enough. Which means if you can't climb, you gotta get better and make less fatal mistakes, and take more successful risks.

Elo hell doesn't exist unless you define it in such a way that the concept is meaningless. if elo hell isn't the elo which you can't climb because of horrid teams and trolls, then the concept is nothing more than a trick of language to take the blame off yourself and place it on the ranked system, or the teams you get. If elo hell as I defined it does exist, then it would be a legitimate complaint one could make. But that is not the case, because it's empirically proven that if you're good enough you can win most of your games.

I never complained about my own games holding me down. I used them to support the idea of elo hell's existence. I have enough time to rank up if I grind the game, but the idea that elo hell doesn't exist is absurd."

I'm looking at your op.gg right now. I'll list off a few things I notice right off the bat.

1. You die too much (over 5 per game on every champ you play), if you're dying more than 4 times per game average, without getting wins from the extra deaths, then you're just feeding and reducing your chances of winning. Yes, it is true that you can use your deaths to win games, but that's an art all in it's own and requires that your team is on the ball, and use your sacrifice well. That's 2 conditions, You make a good sacrifice, and your team uses it well. I tend to make really good sacrifices myself and tend to hold around 3 - 5 deaths average all the way up to plat, But only 1 death per game on average of mine is a sacrifice, some games its 2 some 0, but on average i might die once per game in a sacrificial manner to win the game or a baron or something to increase win chance. All deaths after 1 per game, are my mistake and my incompetence. But one shouldn't be winning games by sacrificing themselves constantly throughout the game for small rewards. I'll die for a baron, or an inhib, or a wipe into nexus kill.

2. Very low kills/assists, it's one thing to have low kills on garen and cho, but your assists are also very very low. Which means you're not only failing to get kills yourself but you're not feeding any of your carries. On your taliyah, you die wayy too much on a champ that's not supposed to be dying in team fights. You're supposed to be staying alive to the end, dealing dps and dropping ur cc.

3. You're at %50 win loss, you're exactly where you belong, if you wanna have gold, then you have to figure out what you're doing wrong that's holding you back. It might be your mentality, might be your concentration, might be your mechanics, your macro, but it's prob all of the above. Imo, for you to get gold, improving on even just 1 of the above will be enough to get you into gold. I'd suggest; however working on your mentality and your concentration. You do well enough to get gold, but you're just falling short barely. You're literally so close, don't blame elo hell, and don't assume you need to hard grind to get more wins. You just need to play a little bit better for gold, and a lot better for plat of course.

I get the jist that you're justifying your belief that elo hell exists, by the idea that it takes forever to climb, that you need to "grind out games". That's not true, it takes forever for some people to get better, because of mental blockers. Beliefs that hold you back, complexes and the sort. As well as your attitude as a whole. If you're good at the game, you will climb pretty fast, if you're not good at the game, then you have to get good, at getting good at stuff. So you can get good, faster, then climb faster. How do you do such a thing?

1. Change your belief systems, believe that you can become highly skilled quickly, believe you can win most of your games, believe that losses are almost always due to your own mistakes. Beliefs matter a lot, don't know how to change your belief systems? Try learning some philosophical methods of critical thought, read up on some psychology and figure it out. Greatness isn't easy, and honestly, if you did all of this, not only will your rank improve, but everything you do in your life will be of a higher quality too. It's worth the investment of effort and time to master your own mind, and be humble while doing it.

2. Watch your replays, play a game or 2 then go though the replay, and look at every death you had, and every fight you could have made a better impact on, and take mental note of what you did wrong, and could have done better. If you play 2 games and watch both replays that should take no longer than 80 to 100 minutes in total playing and watching 2 games. By doing this you will improve faster than if you played 5 - 10 - 15 games every session and didn't look at any replays and did no introspection. This is a method of getting better, faster.

3. Watch good players, and pay attention to what they do in the game, don't worry a lot about what they say, can mute them if you want. Just watch what they do, and ask yourself why they do it.

4. Change your goal from wanting whatever rank, and to wanting whatever competency. You need to value skill, not rank. You may think you value skill, but I'm pretty much certain you don't in reality. Might be a lie you unknowingly tell yourself. But from your post here, it's clear that your unconscious values revolve around the rank you achieve and not the skill level you achieve. Fix that, value the process, value the skill and the rank will come.

Elo hell only exists in your subjective, personal experience. It's not an objective reality, your beliefs create elo hell for you and you get stuck in it. Master your mind, or ignore everything i said, and stay the same, average normie forever.

This is a competitive game, it's not a single player game where you progress even if ur not that good at it. ur against other Humans who all wanna win. welcome to competitive gaming, you can either step up or be a wet dripping beta who blames elo hell. It's true most people wont climb, but that's not a flaw in league, it's a flaw of the humans. You say you can't climb without being a lot better than where you're playing? Yeah, that's the whole damn point. You're not supposed to be able to climb fast or at all unless you're better than your current rank. The better you are, the faster you climb. For some people getting better, takes forever, for the reasons I stated above. Some people get good, pretty fast. Wanna get good fast, so you can climb fast? Put in the work & training to get the skill.

I never complained about my own games holding me down.

just had a game where our vayne was 0-7-0 and sona was 0-4-0 after 20 minutes. sounds normal, right? happens every game.

What about when you are that 0/7 player? You just ignore that, and blame your team. Here.

Since you went out of your way to provide some of my scores for literally no reason, I'd like to use those to further my point that someone else without time would be completely fucked in this system. The 1/5/0 game you mention I was autofilled into mid while playing with my other silver friend. Every other player on our team was gold. They all played worse than us by a wide margin, and they literally gave my laner an extra 300 gold before the lane even started. The game was over before I even had 2 deaths, so assuming someone went 5/0/0 in a lane within 15 minutes, which would require a mix of skill way above the rank you're at and a garbage opponent, you would still lose.

Autofilled? Are you not confident? Dodge. You were the weaker mid, you dont know how to play mid. You lost lane and your team couldnt bring you back up. Thats your fault.

I gave you multiple examples where your scoreline looks awfully low. And you pick the one game where your laner got a kill in the invade. You're unironically blaming your team, after saying you dont blame your team. Were you watching for invades or were you in fountain?

Either way, its still a silver akali player. A plat player would beat her anyways.

The problem isnt this 1/5, its a lot of 1/5 games. You wouldnt consistently do bad, if you were better than that elo. Your team doing bad, doesnt make you die 2x more than everyone else in the game.

I used them to support the idea of elo hell's existence. I have enough time to rank up if I grind the game, but the idea that elo hell doesn't exist is absurd. How could a player without consistently high playtime rank up without having to play several ranks above where they should be at?

You've played more games than me and you're still stuck. I went from g4 to d4 in less games than you. 200 games is a lot. Recently being trolled in your last 10 or so games, isnt a large sample size. You dont have to be diamond to beat silver players.

As for low sample size, you're both wrong and missing the point. The long string of games you have to play to even it out is quite frankly impossible for most people, and regardless it's statistically improbable that it'll even out for at least 35% of players.

35% is a number you pulled out of your ass. One team losses because of a troll, and one wins. It evens out at 50% over a large number of games, like 200 games.

You have a game, where you got carried. If you were on the enemy team, you woudlve thought they were trolling you. But you dont think they are a troll because they arent on your team.

You are the most mediocre player ive ever seen. Your stats scream 50% and even all across the board. The fact that you don't see how you've lost your team many games is hilarious.

You dont play better than your laner consistently (silver opponents) You don't help your team but your laner might help them (0 impact vs some impact) You die a lot (Like a lot.)

You arent going to climb until you realize you have a lot of things you can improve. The audacity to blame your team when you're averaging 6/8 on taliyah and still silver on garen after 3 years is disgusting. Who do you think you even are?

I climbed from lower. And I was truly a b5 player when i hit level 30. You dont need to be much better when you are playing 200 games.

I could make a post and say, I had a jg taliyah...

she went 1/13

i saw that she went top taliyah for some reason.

she went 3/14

OMG ELO HELL.

thats actually just your teammate's idea of you. You arent the star player of your solo queue games to say the least, stop playing for LP and start playing to improve.

Dude.......... Wow, Dunning Kruger much?

What in the actual fuck, do you think elo hell means? I'm under the impression, the reason people complain about elo hell, is because they believe it's humanly impossible to win a lot of games, and climb out of said elo because of bad teams and afks/trolls.

I'm saying elo hell doesn't exist, cuz I've NEVVVVVVER had any problem climbing out of the bottom ranks, in-fact the lower the rank the easier it is to win... What people call "elo hell" is actually "elo heaven" but they get hit with dunning Kruger and can't see that their failure to climb, isn't because their elo is too hard, it's because they suck really bad and don't even understand how bad they suck, so instead of blaming their own lack of skill and competence, they blame the elo and the teams they're in.

It's humiliatingly pathetic that people can be so deluded as you, and as deluded as people who think they're in elo hell because they can't climb due to any of the above reasons.

The saddest thing about this is, I bet you lack the cognitive capacity to even comprehend what i've said here.

Ahh thanks for clearing it up. They are stupid and you aren't. You are truly truly outrageous.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution here are numbers. So it is NORMAL as a silver 1 to see Bronze 1 to Gold 3 in your game. That means within your games matchmaking is picking between 54% of ALL ranked players. The system assumes they are actually the MMR they currently are even though they were placed DEAD CENTER of this shit show amalgamation of Competition. To assume these games are similarly competitive to a gold 1 game where you will see matchmaking pick from 28% of players. Zero who were given a free pass and drastically less who were boosted unless you think people pay for boosting past gold 4/5 at the same rate they boost to plat 1. or that they are similarly competitive actual MMR/Skill(actual skill) wise in comparison to Leagues Assumed MMR(what they think you are) is literally insane. Like you would literally have to believe that when that new person does placements league puts them as close to their MMR as a person who has climbed/fallen for hundreds or thousands of games. No one says elo hell is unwinnable. people obviously climb out. They are saying that it creates Non-Competitive games at such a high rate that unless you are drastically above the MMR you are in it becomes a thousand game slog for the actual statistics to come into your favor.