jungle changes... do they need to be tweaked?

Hawaiian4ever··2 votes·734 views

From what I can gather the new jungle isn't much in a friendly state for the squishy type is characters. I.e. Shaco, kayle, etc etc. It seems that it leans more to the tanky or survival type of champs (WW, Lee Sin etc etc). With the older jungle I was able to do blue, wolves, wraiths(birds), red and then back to wolves... But now I'm forced to go straight to red after wolves and then back. Thus reducing my ability to gank with double buffs and to lvl. (note that I would do this with shaco and kayle). I was playing shaco jungle last night and it was harder to get a clean sweep in my jungle thus making my bot lane to blame me on something that they have to accomplish on their own.

From what I can tell is that riot was trying(?) to fix something that wasn't broken or change something that could of been done later on in the game. For what it seems is that without the assassin aspect to be able to gank a lane it puts more pressure on your team. Knowing that it will take more time for the jungler to sweep and lvl with the rest of the team.

6 Comments

HitYouInTheFace2 votes
  1. Every year, the meta changes. This year, I think they were aiming to make carry jungles (typically squishy) have to make more trade-off's, while making tank jungles (who have been out of the meta for a while) have an easier time surviving. It does not need tweaking based on the idea that Shaco, Kayle, etc should have an easy time.

  2. That being said, this is preseason and there will most likely be MANY changes and tweaking - that is literally the point of preseason. It's like a giant PBE. The changes will be made to champions AND the jungle.

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~HitYouInTheFace

astralwit2 votes

Kayle and Shaco are actually in a better state now than last season. Kayle JG was even picked in the IEM finals.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

actually i do just fine as shaco in the new jung i can get double buffs and wolves with 1 hp pot left over and then just gank until my hearts content

Hullabaloo9071 votes

Yes, the new jungle needs tweaking, but i think the changes were good over all.

They said why they were changing the jungle when they put out the changes, that one type of jungle was dominating. These were the jungles who basically had fast enough clear speeds that there were minimal trade offs between ganking and farming the jungle.

FyshinaTux1 votes

In my opinion, the Baron buff is too strong, if the winning team gets it, it's a won game. Why? Because the team that is behind can (in my experience) not clear the buffed minions fast enough. This leads to the obvious scenario that you don't go for the minions, but instead dive the team when they push. Problem with that is, if you're behind, the MINIONS HURT LIKE WTF... and the enemy team will likely win based on being ahead.

If the losing team gets baron, the only REAL benefit they get out of it is a couple minutes of not getting pushed against because the enemy team has to spend a little extra time clearing the minions due to the buff.

I feel like the tankiness of the minions that are buffed needs to be toned back a tad. Just my humble (and early) opinion on the matter.

Epilogue of Life1 votes

First, games shouldn't be friendly to Kayle, that cancer ult is beyond broken. Second, Shaco's W gives him insane ability to clear first buff, and he can steal the enemy's first red/blue 90% of the time since his first buff clear is so good. Shaco's strong, Kayle should be removed from game, the end.

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