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It feels like shit building defense on Darius and still dying in 3 seconds

SaltyCauseBad·1/14/2019, 6:36:09 PM·9 votes·2,751 views

I really just want to be able to survive for longer than three seconds. A build of item 3742 item 3143 item 3047 item 3078 on a Darius should not mean I get killed in three seconds by a Yasuo with Conqueror item 3031 item 3006 and item 3046. Its ridiculous, I want to be able to survive, if it means I have to sacrafice my damage so be it, but give me some better items or some better stats. On the flipside, if Im building MR, all a Cassiopeia has to do is purchase item 3135 and Im fucked.

In general, this is a thread aimed at all bruisers, but since I otp Darius I thought id recommend some changes for my champion:

  • Q healing buffed from 12% to 15% OR changed from missing health to max health and reduced to 10%. As a result, my W damage is reduced and the AD scaling of my Q reduced by 10%

  • E given longer range or a greater slow, as a result E cooldown increased or W damage reduced

  • Magic resist growth increased and Passive AD damage given reduced by 30 at max rank (Leaving it early game game levels 1 - 11 as its growth is literally +5 ad per level)

Items I would like mainly include more magic resist options (OR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF VOID STAFF MAGIC PEN), anything that gives higher than 55 MR is fine idc but looking at the current options:

  • item 3065 viable on a wide variety of bruisers, good item.
  • item 3194 (gives less stats overall than visage) Literally only bought vs Brand Cassiopeia Azir and Zyra
  • item 3512 unless you splitpush active is basically useless but I do build this sometimes as it gives both defensive stats (more on that later)
  • item 3156 doesnt stack with steraks (nice)
  • item 3139 Im a bruiser Im not building this (No hp, too much AD, No armour, too little MR, cleanse active useless as I have tenacity from runes, mercs)
  • item 3111 literally only good magic resist option paired with visage (But its fucking boots)
  • item 3193 most people have % dmg so the active does jack shit, still considered sometime but again, Im a bruiser I do want to be dealing damage
  • item 3091 lol

From the above, only item 3065 and item 3111 really ever do anything directly, the others are highly situational or flat out not viable. Why cant we just have an item that gives 80 MR with some passive/active that works against mages for example, allies near you take 5% less magic dmg and you take 10% less (sort of like randuins, reduction halved as randuins is based on crit so having 20% on all magic damage is too high), a dampening aura and its great as it can be bought if your behind and your trying to support your team. Ann MR item that increases all MR gained by 10% (Like an Ornn passive) would be cool.

We could even have an Item like Maw such as one that gives 50 MR 35 AD, 200 hp and an active that silences a opponent for 1 second etc to break channels/disrupt. I will not propose any actives such as gap closers (Think blink dagger in dota) as a bruisers main weakness is gap closing and should remain as such, bruisers should never be given dashes or extreme movement speed bonuses (I hate item 3800 for the reason before and because its basically kamikaze if your behind)

For armor items I think the ones we have are fine, I would like an item that reduces the move speed of the attacker by a minuscule amount (5-10%), or an item that reduces attack speed more the higher the attackers attack speed is (i.e, frozen heart cucks everyone who doesnt build attackspeed but AA's while doing almost nothing vs actual AA like Yasuo Tryndamere, also frozen heart just sucks make it give hp). I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THESE ITEMS:

  • item 3083, literally havent seen anyone build it in a couple of months, completely useless, no resistances, active is never up cause minion damage stops it (for some fucking reason)
  • item 3110, no hp given, basically the opposite of item 3083, atleast this is built on like 3 champions in the game though (Nasus etc)
  • item 3026 most bruisers/tanks wont build this, not saying do anything, just pointing it out
  • item 3068 very underpowered, early game snowballs a tank and helps alot, late game is basically a dead item you sell, also bruisers dont build this

Finally, please add more cross resistance items, item 3512 and item 3193 are very situational items that are underpowered. Make sure the items with cross resistances dont have actives too strong (or passives) as the whole reason your building them is for pure stats.

Anyway, I threw my thoughts out as I went to start another match and closed the client after having PTSD of the last 3 games which consisted of Brand with item 3135 one shotting me (or removing half my hp bar if I had steraks) and a Tryndamere who ran over me with Conqueror item 3031 even though I had item 3143 item 3047.

Thanks for reading my wall of depression

19 Comments

sneakydoug1/14/2019, 7:21:17 PM8 votes

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Ibut since I otp Darius

Yep. Your name checks out. Get better. Darius is already an absurdly strong lane bully. He has his window of shining and potential to shut the game down. If you can't take advantage of it and a yasuo outscales you, thats on you.

On My Kill List1/14/2019, 10:32:53 PM2 votes

it has nothing to do with darius. damage is just over tuned and defensive builds suffer massively. its not just one small change but many gradual changes. from the nerfs to hp items removal of hp per level and scaling runes. we used to have a time when warmogs gave more then 1000 hp by itself. a time when crit damage champs didn't have access to true dmg easily. i mean it wasn't perfect back then as adcs were basically ranged burst assassins but now its they still do the same bursting while but invalidating tanks.

Poske1/15/2019, 12:27:16 AM2 votes

WHY THE FK IS HE GETTING DOWNVOTED FOR STATING THE TRUTH? Just because he is a darius main WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF YOU PEOPLE

He shouldnt be dying in 3-4 seconds as darius (perhaps he exaggerated and that yasuo killed him in 5 seconds but whatever)

Darius tankiness needs to go up. His dmg should go down **This needs to happen with a lot of champions in a game **

Minimac20001/14/2019, 10:42:00 PM1 votes

Yeah, darius doesn't get tanky in team fights anymore feelsbad. Imagine how the people who don't build triforce and instead are building pure tank items (they are called tanks *gasp) feel when they also get obliterated in less than three seconds but also don't do damage and also have torture simulators instead of laning phases... You just summarized the state of the game, buddy

Lovelle1/14/2019, 10:42:45 PM1 votes

There was a time when Randuin's Omen used slow the attacker's AS and MS, but Riot gutted it and now it's barely bought.

kingDeDeDarius1/15/2019, 12:20:35 AM1 votes

Actually a Yas should never outscale darius. Power budget. Technically darius should, all else being equal, should be able to dueling and defeat a Yas because he literally has no mobility and even less threat range than Yas and doesn't have a team fights defensive ability. It should even be close actually, theoretically, dar should be able to scale to demolish Yas in a 1v1, because Yas outscale in mobility and team fights potential

kingDeDeDarius1/15/2019, 12:22:29 AM1 votes

Plus Yas is literally anti range and anti poke

kingDeDeDarius1/15/2019, 12:24:17 AM1 votes

Oh and btw, darius is not king of lane bullies. He's not even king of juggernauts lane bullies. Aatrox is a better lane bully among juggernauts. Other lane bullies that Trump him would be renekton, quin, riven, etc. Even fiora is more able to leverage her strengths against opponents because of mobility.

Warlord Rhinark1/15/2019, 11:19:44 AM1 votes

Buffing Darius to make up for how shitty defensive items feels to build is not the way to go.

You have to get at the root of the problem, to make defensives item feel less shitty to build, instead of just buffing willy nilly, potentially causing even more problems than we already had.

Dr Dog1/14/2019, 7:57:53 PM1 votes

we need more stat based resistance items honestly and i wouldnt mind giving hp to items like frozen heart, as for the darius changes im honestly surprised you even mentioned compensation nerfs as most people just wanna overbuff their main. we just need more mr items as a whole for pure tanks meaning mr items that are just tank items not things like maw, a lot of mr items rn just dont go together well in builds and end up kinda sucking compared to armor options which made sense when tanks were ment to mostly tank adcs not mages spamming spells with no cd

Saezio1/14/2019, 10:36:48 PM1 votes

you need to go for damage mate and kill him before he kills you. Also if he already has IE and PD you are too late at shutting him down. You need to kill him again and again at levels 2-7 or so. You are miles stronger then, just tell your JG you want him to gank you early a couple times to make the lane impossible for yas to farm. Trinity sterak is your friend, you could swap trinity for BC for an earlier spike. Also, have you tried hail of blades with titanic hydra? You insta 5 stack him