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Dear Riot: Just make high elo solo only

coldblood007··1 votes·338 views

Please keep this discussion serious and not towards blaming Riot as this only confuses our message (there's plenty of that already). We need Riot to give us a fix.

With a recent statement from Riot Korea it seems as if Solo queue is on hold indefinitely. This is unacceptable, especially considering that Riot promised the opposite multiple times.

Speculation suggests this is because solo queue will make dynamic queue even worse with a mass exodus of solo players. This is probably correct but Riot at least owes us at least a compromise.

That compromise, I believe, should be keeping low elo as is and making high elo solo queue only

Here are some of the problems it solves:

  • At high elo faster queue times because simpler matchmaking
  • High elo rankings truly represent an individual's skill, making it more competitive again
  • For the above reasons pro’s can practice much better, giving us better games to watch

Riot went to dynamic queue because they wanted to broaden their appeal to causal ranked players (an oxymoron I know) so that they can play with friends. This makes new players less anxious to play ranked and lets them enjoy climbing more. I can see this appeal but frankly challenger isn’t for people who are anxious to play without a full room of friends. The ladder higher up is brutally competitive and forcing premades on high elo is like forcing golf pros to play on a put-put golf course (clearly that’s how Tiger learned to put so well…).

This still makes ranked easier to get into and players whose goal isn’t to get in the top 10 of their region and get noticed still can. But now the players who spend hours grinding each day to climb are respected with an appropriately competitive ladder for them. A potential issue would be defining the border between “high” and “low” elo. I would suggest aiming lower in skill bracket (by mmr not rank) so that high elo smurfs don’t play on it as frequently barring people from crossing over. Thus I’d suggest making plat this dividing line but diamond could work as well. All in all this would be a minor problem considering how many things it would fix.

TLDR: keep low elo as is - make high elo dynamic only - this lets competitive players stay that way and new players enjoy learning the game with friends

9 Comments

LankPants2 votes

Here's what Riot should actually do

  • Remove the ability to que as 1, 4 or 5 in Dynamic que
  • Set up a team Dynamic que that's 5 man only
  • Set up a 1 man Solo que.

What you end up with when you do this is the creation of 3 types of segregated ranked game. You have Solo que, which matches 5 unpaired players against 5 unpaired players. Then you have Dynamic que which matches a 2 and a 3 against another 2 and 3 and you have team Dynamic which matches a premade 5 against another premade 5.

By doing this Riot can also separate out rankings, so you don't wind up with a team who carries Silver players to Plat and has them matched against Plats as a duo.

xBushx1 votes

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Here's what Riot should actually do

  • Remove the ability to que as 1, 4 or 5 in Dynamic que
  • Set up a team Dynamic que that's 5 man only
  • Set up a 1 man Solo que.

What you end up with when you do this is the creation of 3 types of segregated ranked game. You have Solo que, which matches 5 unpaired players against 5 unpaired players. Then you have Dynamic que which matches a 2 and a 3 against another 2 and 3 and you have team Dynamic which matches a premade 5 against another premade 5.

By doing this Riot can also separate out rankings, so you don't wind up with a team who carries Silver players to Plat and has them matched against Plats as a duo.

This is the idea I have posted SEVERAL times on the boards so i would not be surprised if a completely logical idea like this gets blatantly ignored.

LOL

It's honestly the easiest and most comprimising idea yet. And still no response from Riot.

After Many different people from different regions are accepting of this idea.

Kãtãrinã1 votes

im fine how it is, honestly. I enjoy playing ranked with my diamond 5 friuends, i was there after all in there series to diamond and the victorys into said diamond.Why would i want to be forced to solo queue when it at least used to be max duo? Makes 0 sense.

coldblood0071 votes

When I said solo that could just was well be duo but having 3+ is where it gets out of hand.

Kãtãrinã1 votes

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When I said solo that could just was well be duo but having 3+ is where it gets out of hand.

Solo means just that. Solo. riots "solo queue" is LEGIT only 1 player aloud to queue no exceptions. there is 0 duos so again No i'm fine not having to deal with only going solo just cause we climbed to a higher division. If they make a solo it should be universal and a separate queue which i'm glad for but i doubt both can coexist and i honestly think dynamic is the better. When you play with more then 2 if you are not coordinated you actually put yourself at a disadvantage as well as you fight others of your part size usually.

coldblood0071 votes

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Solo means just that. Solo. riots "solo queue" is LEGIT only 1 player aloud to queue no exceptions. there is 0 duos so again No i'm fine not having to deal with only going solo just cause we climbed to a higher division. If they make a solo it should be universal and a separate queue which i'm glad for but i doubt both can coexist and i honestly think dynamic is the better. When you play with more then 2 if you are not coordinated you actually put yourself at a disadvantage as well as you fight others of your part size usually.

Correct - solo means solo only. But I meant "solo" as a term for not allowing for big premades. Realistically I'd take solo/duo over as is now and this model of ranked works with either option. I should have clarified this but I didn't want to over complicate the post.

Having high elo be solo makes it so we don't need 2 ranked queues and so there won't be the coexistence problem.

Kãtãrinã1 votes

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Correct - solo means solo only. But I meant "solo" as a term for not allowing for big premades. Realistically I'd take solo/duo over as is now and this model of ranked works with either option. I should have clarified this but I didn't want to over complicate the post.

Having high elo be solo makes it so we don't need 2 ranked queues and so there won't be the coexistence problem.

How does that solve the issue? I'm fine with the restrictions they put in place (2 tiers) for diamond+ players to make the queues more even even when doing dynamic. I shouldn't be unable to play with my other friends just because we all made diamond. Ranked teams don't exactly exist for summoners rift now so how am i supposed to have a ranked team of evenly skilled players? Oh wait you can't with your idea. I'm honestly 100% ok with how ranked works right now.

xBushx1 votes

And to elaborate I just posted this on another DQ thread.

This would leave to insane queue times.

My suggestion is similar.

Have 3 queues total....

Solo Queue: 1 Person

Dynamic Doubles: 2 and 3 person teams only!!! No 4's No Solo's (This takes away more of the toxicity in this queue by not allowing 4 man parties to make up a surrender Vote or Pigeon hole a solo player)

5 Man Queue: Basically Ranked 5's

Everything else is Norms Dynamic.

All with seperate MMR's as people tend to play completely different WITH and WITHOUT people.

Pure hypothetical: Not sure why this isn't the case anyways....nobody in their right mind would be screaming for "4 man teams". And if they did take out TT and implement a 4 man Queue on Rift with 3 solo lanes and a JG.

I truly believe this would fix 95% of problems.

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