I wish bruisers would get half the attention ADCs and Supports get

oOPhrozenOo·1/8/2020, 5:25:51 PM·6 votes·1,767 views

It's been how many years now that you promised us a bruiser item rework? Season 4 was the first?

Then you teased us with Spear of shojin and ATMAS hence you nerfed steraks to shit tier from a very good lategame option for bruisers but ofc as per usual never delivered. In the meantime mages got their third item update, marksmen their well three monthly item buff for no reason other than insane bias, and supports again another follow up work on their third or fourth now i can't even count anymore man.

Now situation of bruisers: Shit tier class that loses early game to mages, adcs and even supports if they feel like going top (hello karma) all while having the most expensive build out of all classes that also scales the worst. Doesn't seem like a good, healthy or even fun combination. You are required to snowball to have a legitimately good midgame which is over in like 5 mins of game time but you can't snowball or win because you get beaten anyways.

Now bruisers used to have among the best lategames which is why balance issues people keep reminiscing on here very often like yorick or ranged champions didn't feel THAT bad because you could actually play for lategame and legitimately outscale your opponent but that was a time when league was a fun and competitive videogame and not a moba call of duty clone that needs to end in 30 mins max or riot is sad. But even in season 8 it wasn't that bad you had trinity/steraks+conq allowing bruisers to actually scale into the lategame which was somehow unfair? Every class needs to be able to scale except bruisers cause reasons. There are none so i just have to assume some imaginary reason exists. Now was trinity/sterak combo too strong that it needed removal? ESPECIALLY with the teasing of returning atmas? Not really. It is or was actually illogical to remove this combo if you want to introduce atmas. The problem with trinity/steraks was that inside the bruiser class it was too strong compared to the BC/sterak or BC/T.Hydra builds which is favored by combo based bruisers like renekton, like kled, like now aatrox. Atmas in that case would be the lategame option for these ability based bruisers compared to the trinity autoattackers like jax, camille and irelia.

So not only did our lategame option items (i dont even start about rageblade and botrk being stolen by adcs) trinity/sterak and conqueror get removed but the few lategame bruiser options we DID have got also only their lategame nerfed, specifically camille and jax. Camille lost insane base dmg on her later rank Es which makes no sense considering her early game was and sometimes even still is too strong same for jax who was said to be too good in the low elo jungle so they nerf his lategame. Ehh....Not sure about that one if a champion even if it's low elo is too strong early game when he is a lategame champion you nerf his lategame?

So now the bruiser class is at a point where u basically become a troll pick and an actual detriment to your teams success. Every game you are under insane pressure knowing you HAVE to hard win lane, have to snowball hard early game or there is no chance in hell you have any impact at all. Especially thanks to dragon souls and mages and adcs being THIS overpowered and untouched. This is not fun, this is not entertaining and leads to top being the least q'd role in the game.

What you at riot should do is bring back trinity/base AD steraks and give us atmas back so bruisers have a way to play for lategame. You don't want to nerf mages or adcs, you don't want to lengthen game times again and you also don't seem to significantly buff bruisers early game so they actually become an early/midgame class. So bruisers should atleast have scaling into the lategame when they already lose the early game to most classes and often cancel out each other thanks to counterpick meta.

The bare minimum that would need to happen if you don't want to add any item or change existing items is to buff item costs. Tiamat definitely needs to go back to being 1200. It's a joke tiamat costs more than fuckin lost chapter that gives infinite mana regen, 10% cdr, 300 flat mana AND 40 AP. Steraks in all honesty needs to go down to 2900 by the fact alone that ADCs have a cheaper and better steraks at 2600 for phantom dancer that doesn't require anything else while bruiser steraks needs you to invest into health before it even becomes a semi decent option. Also looking at mages zhonyas as a defensive item at 2900 which is hilariously undercost for what it provides. At the mininum steraks should be 3000. Hydra items should also go down to 3300 or 3200. Alternatively especially titanic hydra needs a buff. This item is straight up trash. Give it more AD, better scaling passive/active, at the minimum finally fix the fuckin bug that resets your AS for the next autoattack that fucks up champs like kled or jax with high attack speed where the next auto is awkwardly long because somehow it bugs out and uses your base AS as reference which most likely leads to entire AA cancels.

What i would wish to happen for an actual item update: Start to give different items to different "classes" or subclasses call it what you want. Renekton and jax are so different from each other yet the only difference between them is trinity and black cleaver. Nothing else. Your biggest class of champions only difference are two items. One for AA heavy champs one for combo/ability based champions. That's it. Then it's steraks, titanic, death's dance for everyone else or opt into tank items because there are no good bruiser items left anymore. Rip gunblade, guinsoos, botrk on bruisers. Give us items that actually give bruisers satisfying options that alters their gameplay, for the longest time you bought an item to get a bit more health and AD. Then you build an item that gives a bit more health and AD. Then you have another item that gives a bit of health and AD and sometimes a shield if it doesn't bug out. Give bruisers an actual place in the game. Over the course of the years slowly but surely you pushed bruisers out of the game. They used to be the lategame carry class. Then they atleast were the midgame 1v9 machines. Then they were atleast good at splitpushing and turret taking. Somehow that had to be the ADCs and mages job now too. Not that bruisers can't do that anymore but repeated nerf of TP, turret gold and emphasis on objectives like drakes and baron made splitpushing become obsolete. There is nothing a fed bruiser can do anymore to help his behind team out. You used to provide a lot of global gold for your team. Then you could atleast threaten base and a team had to decide to commit to baron or stop the bruiser. Then thanks to homeguard and baron recall that really isn't an option anymore. Bruisers shouldn't win the early game but also shouldn't scale into lategame. Bruisers shouldn't be good at teamfighting but also can't splitpush against a mage or even tank efficiently anymore. They also shouldn't carry in damage and outcarry a mage or adc. So what the fuck is a bruiser supposed to be? The 4fun4 troll pick class? Is that what you want bruisers to be? Be fun to play but other than that a detriment to your team and a miserable experience for anyone who enjoys playing them taking them into ranked? Especially the higher in rank you go and the more people learn to play properly it gets harder and harder to justify a bruiser when the enemy can just pick kennen autowin lane press R in teamfights and win the game.

It is SO frustrating to play a bruiser knowing you have no impact at all if you actually first pick a bruiser. Because toplane is shit, botlane and drakes too strong, TP nerfed into the ground and also you don't scale at all. For real now, does jax scale more well than other bruisers? Yes. Does he SCALE WELL? Not really. You hardly can dent a mage or adc in the lategame before you get blown up into a million pieces.

Sincerely, a bruiser player who wishes for his class to just get a third of the attention adcs or supports get. A bruiser player whose last goodie he got was SEASON 8... TWO YEARS AGO were you buffed tiamat by 5 AD, nerfed heimers ult, buffed camille in a way i told u not to and i was right about it, buffed kled and called it a day. Since then you removed trinity/sterak lategame combo, removed shojin as a lategame item, directly nerfed tiamat, bruisers repeatedly especially their scaling, massively buffed adcs and mages to become better and better early game while scaling even better into the lategame and removed conqueror. What we are left with is a frustrating mess of counterpick meta between bruisers, tanks that nullify your existence, junglers running top to collect free gold because you are totally at their mercy and basically every class beating you in lane while outscaling you. And as per usual it will get buried because barely any bruiser players are left in this game anymore, refusing to play a game whose devs ignore the biggest champion class, neglects their lane and sometimes even directly make fun of them.

10 Comments

Ariel the Cruel1/8/2020, 6:17:05 PM5 votes

Only reason supports get so much attention is because Riot still can't figure out how to balance 4 income streams with 5 champions. So supports get strong cheap items update - everyone else abuses the items because they're strong and cheap - Supports get an item nerf update. Repeat in perpetuity. That's not the kind of attention any class wants. Bruisers included.

RiP Dawngate, who actually managed to solve this problem (Or close to).

The thigh guy1/8/2020, 5:38:26 PM1 votes

But then bruisers would be roughly equal attention.

Intrepid Waraxe1/26/2020, 9:01:13 PM1 votes

Man, as a top laner for years, I totally agree with you. For now, I am just not able to pick any bruisers until I see enemy picking a "normal" top lanner. There are so many tanks, mages, adcs even supporters like Karma and lulu that can straight up bully bruisers in lane and shut bruisers down from having any impact to the game. Even when bruisers getting ahead in lane thank to god, they still can't do too much against any other fed class. Now, I just pick ranged mages like Ryze, cheesing out of lane, building some functional items like righteous glory, cuicibel and night's vow to help myself stay relavant when I am not ahead in laning phase. It's been extremly frustrating for playing bruisers and losing or winning games without doing anything. Let's just hope more people can realize that.