I like Zed and Azir's Current Spots.

92 is hälf of 99··8 votes·2,130 views

Right now, Azir is in a great spot.

His late game damage is great, but his early game is little, while also being enough to zone properly as he is known for. Although, he now does it without being as much of a nuisance, and forcing people out of lane as soon as they get into it. So not "OP".

He is a monster in teamfights and a good Azir player can wreak havoc on the enemy team if they have a good laning phase with no slip ups.

As for Zed, he is very high risk/reward. I actually like this.

He takes skill now, it's not a 2-0 lead and he is godly. It takes him about 5 kills to really get going.

He's much like Rengar, where he will be useless if he doesn't get ahead, but he will be a monster if he does. I like this about assassins, and really gives you the reward of doing well, and makes it feel like you deserve to completely destroy someone. Just like Azir, his early harass has been really weakened, but a good Zed player can do a ton of damage with a full, perfect combo.

All I have to say about these two, as they've been known to be "OP" for a long time, even though they're quite balanced and the recent nerfs to both have them have made them better as Champions that shouldn't be hit with the nerf bat any longer.

Edit - I don't hate either of these champions and love them, I play both of them quite a bit and just wanted to point out my opinions of their current states. Azir has a 41% winrate because he is "eh" in solo preference queues. He is still a strong champion.

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Buff Jax please4 votes

Troll post lmao.

Azir has a 41% winrate. "He is in a great spot" Yeah.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kG3Ktr29,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-23T08:28:04.108+0000)

Troll post lmao.

Azir has a 41% winrate. "He is in a great spot" Yeah.

You're right.Briefly Azir haters.

You know boards hate.

They hate Zed, Yasuo, Azir, Fizz, Ryze.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

"Azir Hater" plays Azir.

https://i.gyazo.com/0643aa400209b6e33d05cdb8ec28b294.png

Send your profile.When did play Azir? I will look.

Meanwhile you forgot.Individual win rate isn't indicator.

You still didn't learn.Shame!

92 is hälf of 992 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/822301381af07a6349fbf3195813f3ae.png Last played one day ago. :D

And it seems you forgot this thread is titled, "I like Zed and Azir's Current Spots"

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

https://i.gyazo.com/822301381af07a6349fbf3195813f3ae.png Last played one day ago. :D

You can not send your profile.Ok.I'm looking your profile.

10 Azir games. 40% win rate

Bad lie.

92 is hälf of 992 votes

I showed screenshot proof :P all I needed to do.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

I showed screenshot proof :P all I needed to do.

Hahahahaha.Ok.

You enjoy with your lies Azir hater.

Maybe Season 5 stat?

Where will I know? But I'm looking your profile.

Last Azir game; 4 7 0

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Paliubashas

Azir hater again.Noooooooooooo!

92 is hälf of 991 votes

Yes, I have lag issues right now on EUW severs because I moved to north america, so I have had bad last few games :] 200 ms constant is very unforgiving

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

Yes, I have lag issues right now on EUW severs because I moved to north america, so I have had bad last few games :] 200 ms constant is very unforgiving

Ok ok.Troll!

92 is hälf of 991 votes

Oh yeah I bet ;)

Nice toxicity on the boards :^) [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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92 is hälf of 992 votes

:^) You will stay as a little girl crying about an opinion someone has made.

92 is hälf of 992 votes

It's on my North America account, this is my EUW one, buddy :D

Stop arguing, really being pointless and bringing toxicity to my thread and the boards about my opinions on 2 champions [slayer-jinx-wink]

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

It's on my North America account, this is my EUW one, buddy :D

Stop arguing, really being pointless and bringing toxicity to my thread and the boards about my opinions on 2 champions [slayer-jinx-wink]

Nice Azir hater.You can continue crying.Azir is garbage you know.

You can continue denying.

You can not even send your profile.

Probably old stats.

Stay troll!

92 is hälf of 992 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/5c9eef0e2def293385039705be9673dd.png 70k+ mastery points on Azir [slayer-jinx-wink]

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

https://i.gyazo.com/5c9eef0e2def293385039705be9673dd.png 70k+ mastery points on Azir [slayer-jinx-wink]

But I don't show my profile!

I don't show my last Azir games.

I'm Azir hater.

92 is hälf of 992 votes

I did show my last Azir games, could you not see that?

I congratulate you on being able to be speak the English of a 6 year old, I really do!

You must be a troll to talk like that!

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

I did show my last Azir games, could you not see that?

I congratulate you on being able to be speak the English of a 6 year old, I really do!

You must be a troll to talk like that!

You didn't show because Azir is weak so you're liar so you will stay liar.

Not hard.You could show your profile but I'm Azir hater and I will not show my profile.Because people know Azir is weak.

Lord Azır1 votes

{quoted}

https://i.gyazo.com/5c9eef0e2def293385039705be9673dd.png 70k+ mastery points on Azir [slayer-jinx-wink]

And I have 900,000 mastery points on Azir [slayer-jinx-wink]

I also know that pic you linked wasn't to your profile because of the builds. In your actual account you build item 3006, on that other pick you posted it was item 3020 for 2 games straight. You don't change from boots like that, so unless this is an old screenshot it's from someone completely different.

92 is hälf of 991 votes

I'm trying to see which is better for me when I play him, actually.

I usually go berserker's when behind and Sorc's if ahead.

https://i.gyazo.com/43974780bf40d761c95937955c45d975.png

^^ Why'd you switch from Sorc's to Serker's, HUH? :P

Lord Azır1 votes

{quoted}

I'm trying to see which is better for me when I play him, actually.

I usually go berserker's when behind and Sorc's if ahead.

https://i.gyazo.com/43974780bf40d761c95937955c45d975.png

^^ Why'd you switch from Sorc's to Serker's, HUH? :P

Because I know when to actually use each unlike you

92 is hälf of 991 votes

Lol. I mean, I guess.

I'm glad the Diamond Azir OTP knows when to use the right Tier 2's better than me

[slayer-jinx-wink]

92 is hälf of 993 votes

Not really a troll post.

I think he is in a good spot.

I currently have a 79% win rate with him in low Platinum on NA (not this account).

If you think this is a troll post, that's fine. I must have the opinions of a troll.

Buff Jax please3 votes

WHo cares about low Platinum? Its a shit elo.

He is horrible right now....his winrate is 41%...meaning if you pick him you give the enemy a 60% chance of winning before the game even starts and I will report you.

92 is hälf of 993 votes

Report someone for picking Azir lmaoo.

What elo are you, then? Don't make me laugh too hard here.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

Report someone for picking Azir lmaoo.

What elo are you, then? Don't make me laugh too hard here.

10 Azir games 40% win rate.Ok liar! Meanwhile Azir's win rate is 40%. Average player.

Meanwhile you forgot.Individual win rate isn't indicator.

You still didn't learn.Shame!

You find new lies.

Buff Jax please2 votes

Also a shitty elo...Plat II on EUW but that account is banned from the boards.

Of course I will report you for giving the enemy 60% chances of winning before the game even starts. Thats like me running down every lane and feeding them a kill in the first 5 mins. When Jax had a 43% winrate I didn't play him either in ranked to not make my team lose.

92 is hälf of 993 votes

Banned from the boards.. Huh.. I wonder why..

Buff Jax please2 votes

Cause of butthurt Ahri fangirls who report you if you call their champ freelo.

92 is hälf of 993 votes

Uh huh.. I see.

Laughing too hard at you right now, don't mind me.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

Zed is weak Azir is garbage.They are weak champions.

Boards Azir, Zed, Fizz, Yasuo, Ryze haters.

I don't like.Both need buffs.

Azir mains win rate 45% and you're saying Azir is good?

Bad ideas and arguments.

92 is hälf of 992 votes

Pretty much. Neither are weak, neither need buffs, etc.

They're fine now, and I enjoy both of them and dont mind playing against either.

Deneviel2 votes

..... yeah Zed takes skill ....... 3/0 zed 92 cs hit me with double Q with TL and bb to 80% HP on a HP/Def build .... so much skill. He is just a binary champ that got no point .... if feed he faceroll, you just need luck to have a mid who don't feed him.

As for Azir ... He now works only on ppls that can properly play him .... i realy don't complain about that, but having a champ that can shine only in the hands of pro ( with discutible result ) makes me sad

92 is hälf of 993 votes

Then don't get hit by double q. 'Nuff said.

When he does that, he wastes his shadow and your jungle can gank if he is extended.

You play normals, so you could be getting people that are Plat/Diamond against you, who know how to Zed well. If you played ranked in low elo, im sure you wouldn't see many good Zed/Azir players.

Deneviel1 votes

{quoted}

Then don't get hit by double q. 'Nuff said.

When he does that, he wastes his shadow and your jungle can gank if he is extended.

You play normals, so you could be getting people that are Plat/Diamond against you, who know how to Zed well. If you played ranked in low elo, im sure you wouldn't see many good Zed/Azir players.

I only play normal cause i don't like the stress in the Ranked..... as for me i play this game from S1 and was gold in promotion to plat there :/ .... sooooo i think i think i got the skill to at least hold ground with a plat here in s6 ..... Zed takes no skill and his dmg and pressing in lane it's just stupid, a meele champ it's supposted to get pushed by a ranged one ... till now i see none pushing a Zed out of his lane ... not even his supposted counter.

92 is hälf of 992 votes

Zed will almost always lost lane to a good Malzahar, Syndra, Ekko, Talon, Azir, Orianna, Lissandra, Vladimir, Diana, and Annie.

Keep in mind I said good. A great Zed can also outplay these champions, but all of these can win lane against a Zed fairly easy, and there are many who go even / still win lane, such as Ahri .

Deneviel2 votes

Let me traslate that for you ....

{quoted}

Zed will almost always lost lane** vs broken pick that got hard to counter mech or are OP ( or bordeline so )** like Malzahar, Ekko, ( >Talon< ( loled so hard ... zed rape talon btw ), Azir, Vladimir, Diana, and Annie.

Syndra, Orianna, Lissandra,** works too .... cuase they are natural counter or got huge clean ability ** but Keep in mind a great Zed can also outplay these champions** but he is balanced remember that,** but all of these can win lane against a Zed fairly easy **( oh the paradigm!!!! ), **and there are many who go even / still win lane, such as Ahri .... **if u can't escape a zed with triple dash and huge MS boost :/ .... but still remember lategame you are a free kill for a good zed. **

92 is hälf of 992 votes

Did you use Google Translate? I won't fix the translation, it's a lost cause.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

People need to realize that Azir is a team player champ. He needs a hard engage/CC team to do well.

A team full of squishys will not let him win teamfights. People just play him anytime no.matter the team comp. (I'm guilty of this before I realized his ideal team comp.)

That's why his win rate is so low. Many new players want to play him, a lot of experts at him moved on due to the nerfs. Therefore his winrate makes sense. But you're right, he isnt a bad champ. He just needs some time for people to adjust.

92 is hälf of 992 votes

Yep, his winrate is bad because he needs a team or some sort of communication.

That's why he does well in LCS but not solo.

Astôlfo2 votes

"How dare you imply Azir isn't the most stupidestest strongestest super duper OP piece of shit ever created!11!!11!"

  • incoming Azir QQers

Azir has a very strong potential. However, most people aren't good enough with him to be able to use him to any sort of good potential. Hence, such a horribly low winrate across just about every factor possible (gamelength/experience/builds/matchups/etc) for just about anyone who's not in LCS or otherwise at LCS-level. He was too strong in LCS, hence nerfs for LCS level. Which essentially neutered his capability in just about anything outside of that, except for the people who really learned him to an extreme level otherwise. To be honest, unless the Azir player is actually good, Azir as a champion will be effectively trash. Sure, he might be oppressive and all with his soldiers, but it really means nothing if the player isn't good because Azir is so punishing to those who aren't absolutely amazing with him, thanks to dozens of nerfs one after another through patches.

Zed is just weak right now unless he gets fed because of the very nature of his ult. He's a safer assassin relatively, but he's also less consistent in being able to kill his target if the support and/or the rest of the team are actually attentive and would help. Outside of assassinating lone targets (which is their fault) like any other assassin, the only way he can go in and out of a team quickly to dive into the middle (which is a bad idea usually for reasons I'll explain) is with his ult, which prevents going back for like, what, 0.75s or so I think? Immediate CC/exhaust/damage to him will hurt him quite a bit. Also, the inherent 3s delay on his ult makes it easier to stop with things such as heals/shields/etc, as opposed to other assassins who have stronger immediate upfront burst.

Both of them are quite fun and flashy, but unrewarding and punishing to those without a high amount of experience on them.

mVXXrkmIvZ1 votes

Ever been to master tier? Don't fucking tell me Azir is "balanced" and "in a good spot". You've never played against a good Azir, and there is literally nothing that can be done to stop one. The early lane is ungankable, the mid game is (Rylais>Nashors>DONE!) stupid strong, and the late game shouldn't even be legal. Skilled players should be rewarded for skilled play, sure, but there has to be a limit. Azir has no limit. He has everything, because Riot thought it was a good idea to give a champion insane range, insane burst, insane DPS, mobility, self peel, and the ability TO CREATE TURRETS. The problem now is that the Shurima Shuffle is part of his identity. Such mobility would've worked great on ANY other champion, but no. It had to be tacked on to the champion who already has insane range and damage. Azir has his cake and eats it too in so many ways.

But don't worry, Azir is getting nerfed! -10 damage.

92 is hälf of 991 votes

No, I've never been to Master.

But, I know you've been to Silver.

Like the post above, Caitlyn is more of an offender of this than Azir, and outdamages early game harder.

mVXXrkmIvZ1 votes

Are you dense? Caitlyn doesn't reach late game after 2 items.

92 is hälf of 991 votes

Azir's early damage isn't good right now. Caitlyn's? One of the strongest poke in the game.

Keep talking Mr. Silver who knows absolutely nothing v.v

mVXXrkmIvZ1 votes

Azir's early game damage is irrelevant because his W's autos can pierce through minion waves. Early levels he just auto pushes without even having to use Q. Post 3 he can just jump away from any gank and keep farming. On top of that, range. His low damage values don't mean shit when he can consistently poke you down from half a lane away without running oom.

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