Riot: Lifesteal champs and Executioner's Calling/Grevious Wounds

Coffeeberry·11/26/2014, 6:01:42 PM·2 votes·1,351 views

Hi Riot,

In patch 4.20 the balance team decided to remove executioner's calling. Unfortunately, this has made lifesteal champs very difficult to deal with for melee physical damage champs that do not have grievous wounds as part of their kit- leaving the options for dealing with them very limited (ignite only). Before, you could purchase executioner's calling and maintain parity with Aatrox/swain/fiddle/vlad/warwick (and mundo to some extent), now its impossible as their damage + heal will far exceed the damage you're capable of inflicting upon them. Literally, if you cannot burst these champs, 100-0, they are impossible to beat because of their excessive sustain.

Now, I'm sure the balance team had its reason for removing the item; but Executioner's calling had a very real strategic niche. Riot has repeatedly stated that it encourages counter play- given that stance, how does one counter the "impossible to kill due to healing" scenario? Sustain beats poke, and without grievous wounds it is quite capable of beating burst as well. All this, of course, is nothing you don't know, but I'm just curious as to the reason you decided to remove the niche item that was designed precisely to help counter the exact situation I outlined above. If you don't mind my asking what reasons exceeded the counter-play that this item provided? Also, since this tactical option has been removed, what is the correct counter-play to the outlined scenario without ignite?

If someone could answer this, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance from a summoner who loves your game.

6 Comments

ValyrianBlade11/26/2014, 6:44:26 PM1 votes

For now, get the ap on your team to buy their version (or the support). That, and ignite. I don't think there are any other means of applying grievous wounds.

For removal, the item itself was just bad in most cases. Even in the specific case where you would buy it as outlined, it probably didn't feel good when you bought it (I.e. I can't believe I have to buy this item again...). Hopefully they'll introduce an ad or tank grievous wounds item that is a little more useful. They should have done this at the same time though, I agree that right now healing/sustain is probably a little OP.

M4nTiCoR311/27/2014, 12:19:55 AM1 votes

I loved this item. It was critical to killing regen fiends like Vladimir Mundo Warwick Nasus and many others and was not complete garbage like many belive on any ADC that built Infinity Edge.

Very dad to see it go. My only hope is they said some of the items may come back...albeit in a new package. I'm hoping they rework it into something similar.

CooLTanG12/2/2014, 8:31:47 PM1 votes

Agreed, idk why they removed it.

Bears Dont Care12/29/2014, 12:41:13 AM1 votes

They removed it because the item was rarely built and seldom effective.

balbraaksel12/29/2014, 1:13:00 AM1 votes

Just get a Zyra support with Morellonomicon, Liandry's Torment and Void Staff, those three go really well together on her against a sustaining team.