If every lane loses before 12+ mins, it's your fault and not the jungler.

I wear Givenchy··2 votes·1,041 views

I need to stop playing Elise I guess. What junglers are good at carrying low elo games? because every game bot lane is throwing hard because bronze/silver supports are awful.

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RenownedWheat428 votes

"It's your fault and not the jungler" proceeds to blame the supports

:/

I wear Givenchy1 votes

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Monkey with a PC3 votes

Who else are they going to blame? Themselves?

CannabisOverlord1 votes

I would say its dependent on the situation, if ive lost lane at 12 mins but their jungler has ganked 3 times and ive received none or 1 that barely did anything, it could be someone elses fault

I wear Givenchy1 votes

IMO, I focused the lane with the most potential to carry the game. The one teammate with kills and no deaths but top still managed to lose lane. I think it's because i tried saving second bot tower. I don't really know what to do when the enemy team begins to snow ball even when I gank successfully early to give a lead to my teammates.

CannabisOverlord1 votes

IMO, if their starting to snowball communicate with your team and make a point of trying to catch out their fed person, or make a point of grouping to get fed off their weak teammates so you can catch up, every game is winnable i would say, at least until you get high up,im in silver, ive literally had games where im 0/8 and we come back to win, i ussually end up 15/12 or 15/10 just by being cautious and communicating. myself personally i try to pick out teammates as a jungler who if their behind early they can win late, or someone like olaf who can get so far ahead early you win before the enemy can recover and catchup

Speeedy1 votes

to a point, I had a frustrating game yesterday where cait/karma froze the lane and i was unable to farm (I was tristana adc and ashe support). the support and i asked the jungler a ton of times to come to lane to help us break the freeze because we were already down in cs (10-15). So we made a play to all in since he wasnt coming (down about 50 cs) and got double killed. We then didnt engage anymore but were still frozen out to the point where she had a 80+ cs lead. Then we get flamed for being terrible. I called when they set up the freeze but our jungle blatantly ignored us by getting blue and the frog without ever making the extra effort to come (about 30 cs down). He then went to mid to gank cause they were pushed. He said oh your lanes not in a good position to gank. Trying to explain wave management to someone who has no clue is useless so we deserved to lose but it was 100% his fault for not helping us break a freeze.

chipndip11 votes

Or...maybe...

...just MAYBE...

...it's Ashe's fault for playing Ashe support, then expecting to be useful?

Speeedy1 votes

even if it wasnt ashe support, who are you going to use to break the freeze?

chipndip11 votes

Idk...maybe you wouldn't have ever gotten frozen?

Speeedy1 votes

so you offer no real advice

chipndip11 votes

The advice is dodge when you have support Ashe.

That or realize you're going to lose lane because you have support Ashe. If someone sets up a hard freeze, the only remedy is "wait it out".

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Can't you break a freeze by poking down the enemy and forcing them to back?

Speeedy1 votes

your going to break a freeze with ashe/tristana verse a cait/karma who have more poke

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Well my first question is why have an ashe or tristana support?

Secondly, I believe you can break it by pushing hard into their tower, resetting the waves and then they will meet at roughly the center.

Either that or that only works top lane.

I don't remember, the whole wave management shtick is new to me.

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